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PDS

Matt -- will you buy the Pitt Minion ESV? Also, how does the font size of a Pitt Minion compare with the size of the Allans ESV? And finally, is the Pitt Minion single column?

Marktheless

PDS- I know your question was directed to Matt, but to answer your question, the pitt minion font size is smaller than the Allan's ESV and the spacing between the lines is much closer. If your eye sight isn't the best, this Bible may not be for you, other than that, I love my Cambridge pitt minions. I have the NKJV and the NASB, and if/when Cambridge comes out with an ESV pitt minion, I will buy one without a doubt! The pitt minions are double column with center references as well.

PDS

Thanks...so if it has a smaller font size, I suspect it is also a smaller Bible? Why are they so popular?

PDS

According to the Baker rep, that will be the first ESV released...probably spring/summer 08?

Marktheless

PDS- Why are they so popular? Good question. I would much rather have a Cambridge in a larger font size in NKJV, NASB, and ESV but unfortunately, unless you want a KJV your options are extremely limited with Cambridge. The pitt minion, in my opinion, is too small. I do like the "portability" of it but it could be bigger and still be as portable. Personally I would love to see them increase the font size and spacing and just make the Bible thicker. Right now the pitt's are 3/4" thick. So why do I have them? Because Cmabridge is the best, and I sacrifice size to own the best. In a perfect world, Cambridge would print a Cameo version of all there translations, in goatskin! That would be a Bible collectors dream!

PDS

Thanks! I'm thinking about buying my mom a nice Bible for Christmas...but font size is important, though I don't think translation is a big deal. If I'm going for the largest font size, the KJV would be the best?

Marktheless

PDS- If font size is an issue I would definitely not get the pitt minion. They have a nice selection of KJV Bibles on there web site.

PDS

What would you recommend?

Kyle

PDS- I believe the Pitt Minion is so popular because of the size and quality. It packs a big punch for a bible that you can easily hold in the palm of your hand while open. It has references, concordance, and maps. I often read mine while eating lunch. You can easily hold it in one hand while you eat with the other. It works great for ministry in a hospital, jail, nursing home, etc because it is small and not cumbersome. The text is small, but it is very crisp. If you own the NASB wide Margin from Cambridge, it is the same exact layout; page numbers and all. It is like the "mini-me" of the wide margin. The Pitt Minion at this time is my favorite Bible. You don't want to sit and read it for hours. That is not what it was designed for. It is for all the above mentioned. It's the perfect little Bible. I will definitely buy one when it comes out in ESV.

Marktheless

Kyle- I agree...my pitt minion's are my favorite Bibles as well, but then I have 20/20 vision. The font size isn't for everyone I'm afraid, but if you can handle it, you won't regret purchasing one of these. I'm looking forward to the pitt ESV as well. As portable as it is, I still find myself reading it at home while lying on my couch, instead of grabbing one of my larger study Bibles. It's just a great Bible...it's a Cambridge.

Stuart

Does anybody that owns an Allan 'bound' ESV know how many "centre-column references" it contains - should say (somewhere) in the introduction / explanation pages just inside the front cover? Appreciated!

Stuart

Does anybody that owns an Allan 'bound' ESV know how many "centre-column references" it contains - should say (somewhere) in the introduction / explanation pages just inside the front cover? Appreciated!

Kevin Maguire

I own an Allan kjv longprimer in highland goatskin and in my opinion this is a Bible made to last.The binding is a work of art and the craftmanship is second to none.When you open this Bible it just becomes part of your hand,the binding is like no other Bible I have ever handled,and the print is very clear and easy on the eye.So if anyone out there is looking for the very best look no further than RL Allan

Jesus Saenz

Stuart, over 80,000

Stuart

Jesus - Thank you! Sounds sufficient! I forgot to ask - are the centre columns composed of straight lines / dotted lines or invisible lines / notihing? The pics in the [Allan's] catalogue are conflicting? Thanks!

J. Mark Bertrand

Stuart, if you take a look at the pictures above, you can see the cross reference layout. It's exactly like the Crossway Classic Reference setting -- no lines, just a column of notes between the text.

Stuart

Mark - of course (LATE nights!!!)... thank you.

Pastor Brent

Just placed my order with RL Allan for ESV with tan goatskin. Thanks for the great review, after reading your review I contacted RL Allan and Sons via email and have exchanged numerous emails with Nicholas who helped by giving me detailed info regarding both the ESV1/T and NIV bibles that they offer. I will post once I receive bible, late next week or early the following week.
Shalom!

Jesus Saenz

Evangelical Bible dot com is now carrying the Allan's ESV's.

https://www.evangelicalbible.com/store/home.php?cat=272

Rick +

"Nothing I have ever done in the course of my life has generated more enmity among the wives..."

It looks like we may be having his and hers Alan's!

I can't believe I missed this post - oh yea, I have been a bit busy with a church split. When the dust settles up here in the Anglican Church of Canada, I plan to make a resolution at synod that all new ordinands get a brand spankin new Alan's ESV - then maybe there will be some Bible reading up here!

Steve D'Alessio

Hey, I have a question. I recently bought a black Allan's ESV from evangelicalbible.com. My Bible is beautiful, but the pages are very wavy and stiff. They are not smooth and flexible like Cambridge Bible paper. I'm not sure if you understand what I mean. But, I am very impressed with the binding and printing, but not with the paper itself. Is this something that will work itself out with time as I handle the Bible? I have a Longprimer KJV from Allan's also and the paper is also wavy but to a much lessor degree. I thought that I had just gotten the exception, but this ESV is very much like that...almost as if the paper had been exposed to moisture and never quite recovered, if that make any sense. Did anyone else find that with their ESV's from Allan's? Thanks!

Mark

That's a feature of some of the texts blocks Allan uses for their Bibles. Perhaps even up the thread of comments on this particular topic you'll find other people who have had the same experience. The wavy pages are a result of the way the grain of the paper runs.

Steve D'Alessio

Thanks Mark. I was a little dense and never noticed the nice ">>" at the bottom of the page, so I missed pages of posts before I posted mine. The stiffness and waviness of the Allan's ESV actually bothers me a lot, and I probably wouldn't have bought one had I read all of these posts about it. It amazes me that Allan's can have such a fantastic goatskin binding and then permit the quality of their paper fluidity to be so poor. What is the point of a very flexible cover if the paper isn't flexible and you have to manhandle the Bible to get the paper to lie right? I have three Allan's and only one has great paper (my Clarendon edition KJV). My Longprimer KJV and the ESV both have this problem although the ESV is a lot worse. I had thought that my Longprimer (which I bought used on Ebay) was an exception. Very unfortunate.

Paul

The Tan Allan will be available in June from evangelicalbible.com
The details of this printing have not yet been released.

Paul
evbible.com

Steve Lockhart

Mark,

I am somewhat reticent to mention this because I don't want you to think I'm being nit picky but I figure that since you take quality bibles quite seriously you may excuse me.

You mention that your first R.L. Allen bible was an Oxford Brevier Blackface and then shortly after that you make reference to it as "that first goatskin Longprimer". They cannot be one and the same because Brevier and Long Primer are two different type sizes, Brevier being one size smaller than Long Primer. Also the name Long Primer is two words.

The funny thing is that these are things I have learned since your blog introduced me to fine bibles, so if I am mistaken please tell me.

J. Mark Bertrand

No need for reticence, Steve. I had it wrong in both places, then fixed the first but not the second. Now they're both fixed. The reason I refer to the Long Primer as the Longprimer is because that's how it is on the Allan's site. Only when I received a copy did I realize the discrepancy. Frankly I like it better as one word. :)

Steve Lockhart

Mark - It's all good. By the way, Amazon just shipped your book to me and I'll be reading it right after I read "The End of Religion" by Bruxy Cavey; I'm looking forward to it.

Rod

This is a test. I am having problems seeing recent comments to this blog. My list stops at October 25, 2007 and I'm not able to see the latest comments by Mark and Steve Loackhart. Anybody else having this problem? Is there a fix? I am logged in.

Steve Lockhart

Rod- I thought I had that problem to but you'll notice that under the last comment you can see there is a very small blue arrow. Click on it and you will turn the page. At the bottom of that page you will see two blue arrows; one will take you to the previous page and the other will take you to the next page.

It just occurred to me that you won't see this comment until you have already figured this out.

Nathan Stitt

I think the only solution here is for Mark to look up his email address for his comment and explain how to find the little arrows. Personally I really dislike them and wish it was more user friendly to navigate.

Bill Reeder

I've recenlty become an Allan's addict. I even purchased 2 copies of the Longprimer. One I'll mark in the other I'll keep pure.

I have ordered 2 ESV's, one in each color. One thing I don't understand is, why would Allan's not make these full yapp? The feel of the several Bibles I have that are full yapp are wonderful, and I'm a little disappointed that the ESV's will only be half yapp. Am I quibbling over nothing, or does anyone else see it like me?

Bill

James Thompson

To all who've ordered the ESV and are anxiously awaiting delivery, I received this email this morning from Allans...

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Dear James

We expect new ESV stock next week, shipping immediately after receipt.

Kind regards
Nicholas Gray
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I ordered the Tan ESV and have second guessed that decision ever since. But since most of my Bibles are black I'm going to try a new color and see how that works out. In the back of my mind is this tiny voice saying "you can't beat black." I guess I'll see soon.

Matt Jensen

James - Thanks for the update! I've been checking evbible and bibles-direct every morning for updates on the shipment. The anticipation I have regarding my ESV1 arrival is comparable to the week before I got married!

Rod Summers

Thanks for the update. I ordered one of each- black and tan. Can't wait... but I guess I'll have to! :)

James Thompson

Rod - I'll be interested to know your opinion since you're purchasing the ESV in both colors. Let me know your assessment of both after you've had some time with them. Thanks!

Paul

A few quick notes on the Allan ESV1 (Black and Tan)
1. They are scheduled to ship from the UK next week. (9.22-26)
2. They will have the Oxford maps, but will not have the lined paper.
3. The font is bolder than the first edition.
4. The paper doesn't have the "wavy" aspect as in the first edition.
5. Only 250 of each have been bound.

thanks
Paul
evangelicalbible.com

Paul Klenk

QUESTIONS:

1. What is semi-yapp binding?

2. What does "red under gold" page edges?

Stuart

Paul ---- a mini glossary of terms for you:


Semi-yapp edges: a binding style whereby the leather edges of the cover extend partially over the page edges to give a more classic look and feel.

Full-yapp edges: a binding style whereby the leather edges of the cover extend fully over the page edges to give a more classic look and feel. The binding edges will actually touch if pinched together. See R. L. Allan's Oxford Long Primer in Highland Goatskin Review for an example of this.

Red under gold edges: a decorative finish to the page edges whereby red dye and gold coloured foil are combined to add a beautiful lustre to the finished Bible. Page edges have a rich golden glow to them but when flexed the red dye becomes visible changing the colour to a redish-golden glow. Only top of the line Bibles have this unique decorative feature.

Art-gilt edges: another term for "red under gold".

Gilt edges: a decorative finish to the page edges where gold or silver coloured foil is applied to give a beautiful lustre to the Bible. It is essentially the same thing as "art-gilt edges" or "red under gold edges" only without the red dye added.

Gilt line: a gold or silver coloured line that outlines or frames the page edges around the inside cover of the binding.

John

Hello and God bless! I am a college student that is looking to make an investment on a Bible that will be sure to last. I am interested in an ESV and wonder what is the best choice. Do any of the R.L. Allan Bibles have Red Letter? I am really torn between the Crossway Thinline Calkskin and some of the Allan ESVs. It seems like supplies are limited with the Allans on their website. Are there any other brands/publishers you would recommend besides the Crossway or Allan? I am only interested in the best quality for I want it to last a long time.

Willem Bronkhorst

It has both.

mike smith

JOHN ONLY CROSSWAY AND ALLAN PRODUCE THE ESAV BIBLE. EVANGELICAL BIBLE.COM HAS A GREAT DEAL IN THE MID GRADE GOATSKIN WITH THE SAME PRINTING AS THE FIRST EDITION OF THE ESV FOR $75.00 OR THE ANY OF THE OTHER EDITIONS OF THE ESV AT GREAT PRICES.

Kathy

Cambridge offers the ESV in the Pitt Minion format, and will have a wide margin edition early nest year. They come in both black and red letter editions.

Crossway also offers both black and red letter. All the Allan ESVs are black letter.

Anthony Miller

I still have a spare Tan ESV from the latest printing if anyone is after one.

Tony

Stan McCullars

Tony,
Why are you unloading the ESV?

Anthony Miller

Stan,
I have the Allans ESV in both tan and black as well as a Pitt Minion brown. The tan color is my least favorite and I really don't need three editions in ESV.

I enjoy reading all the different translations but mainly like the KJV, followed by ESV or NIV. I also enjoy the RSV, NRSV, REB and NASB.

So, one of the ESV needs to go to fund an Allans Longprimer and a NIV in brown goatskin.

Tony

John

Tony,

I am interested in an ESV for sure. Why do you prefer the Allan's black over the tan? Can you describe to me a little about the Bible you are willing to part with?

Thanks,
John

Anthony Miller

John,
Oddly I just thick a bible looks "right" in a very dark color, preferedbly black or maybe burgundy. Yes, it is what is inside that matter but if that were our only thought none of us would be on this blog but instead posting over translation issue somewhere else
Mine is as new, no marks, no writing, nothing. Openned, a few NT books carefully read a few times and put back away. It has the box, etc.... If interested contact me at heirphoto "at" comcast.net

I'm really trying to keep just one edition of each translation in a larger "at home" size and a smaller Pitt Minion version for reding away from home.

John

I received my ESV1 in tan highland goatskin today and am extremely pleased. This is a great quality Bible. I have absolutely no complaints with this one and I have a very keen/picky eye. Without a doubt, this is the nicest Bible I have ever held.

Kyle

Here's an interesting boo-boo I just found in the concordance of the new ESV1: Look in the concordance for the word "access". Kinda hard to find, huh? No space and no special font to distinguish it. This is definitely a Harper Collins oversight.

Stuart

"Here's an interesting boo-boo I just found in the concordance of the new ESV1: Look in the concordance for the word "access". Kinda hard to find, huh? No space and no special font to distinguish it. This is definitely a Harper Collins oversight."

-- Look at the top of the next column on the same page (p 1257) - "acquire" has the same problem - oops!

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