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December 21, 2007

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matt

I originally wanted red under gold (similiar affect of the Allan Tan ESV), but Paul Sawyer's shoulder had been giving him trouble so he was unable to do the gold gilding, and mentioned he liked the color brown over red on the page edges (since everything else was brown already). It is unorthodox but unique to a degree and I wager will not wear off as quickly as the factory gilding tends to do. The page edges give it a Journaling bible feel rather than an Allans or cambridge feel that it could have easily if gilding was there.

Paul is quick. He did the bible in a day and sent it back (total of a weeks time).

On a depressing note: Upon receiving the bible I set it down on a counter, yet unknown to me there was a drop of spilled Nail polish remover which turned a 2 inch section of the cover black. As a warning natural hand finished - vegetable tanned skins are more vulnerable. It was originally a gift but now may stay in my possession.

Jesus Saenz

Matt, did the original Bible have a glued spine or one that was Smythe sewn? As far I know, the only ESV Bibles from Crossway to have a sewn binding are the premium calfskin editions. Which leads me to ask wether or not the signatures on your re-bound Bible are glued or sewn? I had my copy of The Reformation Study Bible rebound in brown goatskin as well, but that Bible already had a sewn binding.

matt

Originally the Bible had a glued binding. It was sewn upon rebinding. BTW your brown Reformation study bible looked great...how do you like it?

Jay Davis

I had a TNIV XL done by leatherbibles.com and I am very happy with the outcome!

matt

Jay - Curious what some of the specs were on the bible you had done. I contacted leatherbibles.com in past about having an ESV rebound, but they said the earliest turnaround time was 3 months so I declined.

Jesus Saenz

I bought the RSB to replace my Life Application Study Bible. I didn't want a study Bible that was as big the LASB and I also wanted a new translation, I had been using the NKJV for over 10 years.

The re-binding was great. The brown goatskin was recommended by Eric at Leonard's Book Restoration and I was fortunate to have taken his advise as I really like the color. It has a stiff paper board under the leather, as it was going to be used for home study use only and I didn't need a limp cover. The Bible looks great and feels great, lays flat even in Genesis or Revelation and has three ribbon bookmarks. I like it, not a little.

If the Personal Reference ESV is nice enough, and if Crossway doesn't ever plan to make it in calfskin then I would consider sending one to Mechlings, as far as I know they are the only re-binder to re-bind using leather liners. Maybe the fine folks at R. L. Allan would consider doing a run of the Personal Reference to add to their ESV lineup!

Matt, do you know if Paul Sawyer can do a leather lined Bible?

matt

Jesus - I called paul. he was hesitant but said he would do it. I would just ask him to use sheepskin leather like mechling uses for the lining.

PDS

What about a Bible like the MacArthur Study Bible with a thumb-index. Just curious, can something like that be rebound...and with some of the upgraded features mentioned above??

Rod Summers

Looking through Amazon today and found place holders for Pitt-Minion ESVs (this summer) and wide margin ESVs (this fall) by Cambridge. Also, just had a Cambridge NIV wide-margin rebound in chocolate brown goatskin by Mechling. Materials are superb and feel is wonderful. But I am trying to send the Bible back as it looks like the spine is too narrow resulting in the outside edges of the pages being misaligned. The spine is good and stiff; just too narrow for the amount of pages. I asked for it to be resewn but am having a hard time seeing if they did they that. Once group of pages came already separating from adjoining pages. However, I can tell once that is remedied I will be extremely happy with the improvement over the original calfskin.

matt

PDS - I do not believe that binders will cut the book block and then add thumb-index. They could cut the thumb indexed part off revealing normal page edges. Although I doesnt hurt to ask, but I doubt that something can be done to the page edges without removing or cutting off the thumb-index. Yet all other binding can be done I imagine.

Rod - I am contemplating sending a bible to be done in Chocolate goatskin. How is the color on the cover...is it more of a black chocolate or medium brown? I am deciding between the Tan and Chocolate. overall sounds great, but it is a shame that the spine turned out the way it did.

Stuart

Matt, did they give you the option to round the edges of the pages like normal Bibles? Or was that option done away with once the resizing of margins took over or was it a personal choice? You said that they stitched a glued book block - is that correct? It looks fantastic mate! Someone [...like RL Allan & Sons - hint hint] could easily make a unique little busisness out of this concept. Most of us would buy wouldn't we?

matt

Stuart - The rounded pages was overlooked and I slapped my self when I realized I had forgotten. Although it looks great it is a slight nuisance with the straight edges. It is completely possible to have them rounded.

the binding is what Paul called double sewn for strength. so yes it is sewn and glued.

After comparing the ESV rebound wide margin with another standard ESV wide margin, the size is not that noticeable. Crossway's wide margin is already pretty compact and slim for a wide margin (comparable to most reference bibles).

Stuart

Matt - would love to talk to you about your Bible specs & the process you went through etc - can I give you my email & throw some questions back at you?

Steve

Matt-Your rebound looks quite stunning. I have been trying to determine who would be a good binder, the type of leather preferred for this application etc., so it was a real blessing to stumble across this blog Mark. Thanks for your effort. What kind of council can you offer me on the ribbons Matt. I really like the color of the ones that you chose to use. Thanks to all for the discussion.

matt

Stuart - my email is mattdmorales@gmail.com.

Steve - The leather is from Russell's in England and is a hand finished goatskin, unless you want to spend a lot of money I am sure that a less expensive goatskin cover would be bout as nice.. I get my ribbon from The Ribbonerie in San francisco. You can order through them. If you wanted the exact color I could mail you a couple feet but I have to a week or so to get more.

I have to be honest that I really like the customization and personal service that Paul Sawyer gives, although I believe leather lining is the way to go bar none!!! That is why the mechling bibles I have had redone are still my favorite eventhough they do not look as luxurious. If someone wanted to just get a bible rebound and not mess with cutting the bible to a different size than I would go with Mechling because their prices are transparent and I have had consistant quality with their work. THey can also upgrade their standard (though it is very nice) goatskin to an even nicer goatskin for about $50 dollars.

Rod

Matt- sorry for replying so late. The cover is more of a chocolate brown. I'm really happy with the cover. Still haven't heard back from Mechling. Wonder if they took a holiday break??

Stuart

Rod - you said that your Bible from Mechling was more of a "chocolate brown" - so how does it compare to the pics here of Matt's Bible (does it look the same / darker / lighter...)? I'm looking at doing a similar project & really like the colour of Matt's Brown Goatskin but want to know what Mechlings "chocolate brown" looks like in real life...

Rod

Stuart- Close to the same color. It didn't look as "distressed" if you know what I mean. Finally was contacted by Al Mechling who said he will fix the Bible even if he has to totally do it over.

Stuart

Rod - any chance of sending through a few pics of it (smazz@optusnet.com.au)?

PDS

I have the ESV Single Column Reference Calfskin. I don’t know what the process is for doing red under gold, but do you know of anyone that could do the red? I would love to add that feature, but know nothing about it.

matt

To add red edges the edges must be cut slightly for a cleaner surface and then the red added. To be honest I would stick with the factory spray on gold unless you really want the red. I believe that a binder would have to remove the binding and then add it, which bumps up the price to a complete rebinding. It is all a matter of price which the rebind with Paul sawyer would be atleast a $100.

Red under gold can be done with Mcspadden (they charge an additional $100 on top of the rebinding fee), and from what I hear the quality is excellent and long lasting though not cheap.

Rod

Stuart- sorry for the late reply. The Bible is back at Mechling. Al Mechling offered to completely rebind and resew the Bible. As soon as I get it back I'll be glad to send some pictures.

PDS

Thanks Matt. I was hoping the process might be easier!

Stuart

Rod - Thanks mate, appreciated & look forward to seeing it. I've almost finished planning out my first project & colour is a major sticking point!

Michael Swoveland

I have been thinking about having a Bible rebound for at least the last six months. I have a Ryrie study Bible (Authorized Version) and love the notes and study helps that it contains. However, the "genuine leather" edition that I bought is bound in thin, stiff leather that to me has a very plastic feel to it. I have said more than once that it is bound in rat-hide. As someone who is used to Cambridge Bibles, this just doesn't work.

After seeing the Bible that Matt had rebound by Paul Sawyer, I said "thats it!" It has the old fashoned look that I am after. I do no want this Bible to look like something that just came off the shelf at the local Chistian book shop. Matt was kind enough to respond to my questions via e-mail and even offered to take my phone call (which I have not yet made due to time zone and work issues).

I e-mailed Paul Sawyer with a list of things I wanted in this rebinding. I asked for Russell's Nigerian goatskin in a natural finish, three ribbon markers, specific typeface and inscriptions on the spine, a double sewn binding, rased bands on the spine in a specific style and the marbeled silk endpapers (although not very popular here, I love the look). Paul said he could do everything I wanted, so I shipped my Bible off to him today.

Were it not for this wonderful site and the kindness of Matt, I am not sure I would have taken this step, at least not yet. I will be sure to post my results here when I get this Bible back.

Nathan

Sounds very interesting, can't wait to see some images of the results. I agree that this brown Nigerian goatskin looks absolutely incredible. I'm not sure that I've seen one that looks better than this.

Michael Swoveland

I spoke with Paul Sawyer Saturday, he said he had just finished rebinding my Bible and that he would be mailing it out Monday by Priorty Mail, so I should haved it back Wednesday or Thursday. This guy is fast! I understand some bookbinders will take 1-2 months to get your Bible back to you.

As a side note, Paul is quite a talker. He seems to really love his art and to enjoy sharing what he knows about leathers and binding. As part of his training he spent six months working as a tanner, so he knows a lot about leather. I can't wait to see what he has done with my Bible!

matt

michael - congratulations. hope it turns out great for you.

what color did you choose for the cover/ribbons?

Michael Swoveland

Thank you Matt. I just got it back today and I am very pleased with the results. I went with a natural brown leather which Paul added a light patina to and gold ribbons.

Nathan

I would love to see some images of it. Maybe you can write up a short review and email half a dozen pics of it to Mark?

PDS

Michael -- that's great. I look forward to seeing how that turns out so hopefully you'll get a chance to share...and next time, you'll go for the MacArthur Study Bible (smile).

Michael Swoveland

Nathan, I did that last night, but I am not a very good photographer.

PDS, I am already feeling the urge to get something else rebound!

PDS

Michael -- that's cool. I look forward to seeing how it turns out. I'm a fan of MacArthur and had considered doing so with one of his study Bibles.

Question -- when rebinding a study Bible, should I just go buy the cheapest one since the only difference is on the cover (which will be tossed aside anyhow)?

Also, does anyone know if someone can take the Cambridge NASB Pitt Minion ribbon and replace it? It's horrible -- red, short, and cheap.

Michael Swoveland

PDS, Don't repeat my mistake, I bought the most expensive one on the shelf! I would get a cheap one and make sure you ask the binder for a sewn spine. My Bible came with one cheap black ribbon, which was replaced by three gold ones, so yes, you can do away with the old cheap ribbon.

Rod

Stuart- if you can send me an email address I'll be glad to forward you some pictures of the Mechling rebind on Chocolate Brown. Mine is rodsummers@comcast.net.

TammyB

I just had to add my 2 cents... I discovered Paul Sawyer several years back - I created a very special book from scratch for our pastors. I sent to Paul typed pages, with velum sheets over each chapter... I chose a very special parchment leather that was reminiscent of old parchments used in the times of the early church. I also had a box made. Paul did the most amazing job I have ever seen. This type of a project, at the time was about $1,500 - which was well over a thousand dollars less than other quotes I received. His customer service is 2nd to none - and his skill level...well lets just say that you don't find someone like him every day. He has also bound several custom bibles for me and some friends and his work is exquisite. I cannot say enough good about this man's work, and his integrity...at least in all of his dealings with me and my friends. God only leads me to the best ;)

Joseph DeMarco

Just purchased a ESV Classic Reference Genuine Leather and discovered it was smyth sewn as the seller claimed. (Did not beleive him at first) Bible was printed in China and rumor has it that all ESVs from China and Korea are smyth sewn.

Any truth to that rumor?

Stuart

@ Joseph - Zondervan confirmed (& sent me a product list complete with where each Bible was printed) that all their Bibles printed outside the USA have sewn bindings so it's probably true for other publishers too?? Why not email them?

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