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David Dewey

Amen to all the above, but another plea too: verse numbers taken out of the text and assigned to the margin. I have just bought a s/hand RSV (Bible Society schools edition for $6): it it double-columned, paragraphed, but with chapter and verse numbers all set in the margins. I was surprised but how clean and wonderfully uncluttered the text looks. Early editions of the NEB, JerB and NJB did the same I think.

David

Theres a PDF of the KJV with the Verses at the side, but its not paragraphed.

But it is a more natural read without verses inline.

http://www.comfort-israel.com/pdf/english/KJV.pdf

Michael

This is why I love the ESV literary Bible so much - I just wish it was in a better binding... (sewn, nice leather)and possible a tad smaller. But other than that it is possible the best Bible I have ever used - it (strangely enough) makes me want to read the Old Testament and that should be a "testament" to itself.

Any inside scoop if they will do for the literary Bible what they are doing for the study Bible? I'd forgo the study Bible to have a quality edition of the literary Bible.

Kyle Hedrick

I could not agree more. Texts and translating preferences aside, and focusing solely on formatting, nothing is of greater importance to me than single column, paragraphed! (caveat -- type size large enough to read comfortably. I love the set up of the ESV personal reference and purchased one before it was released, but I get a headache if reading more than a few verses). When Mark first listed The New Cambridge Paragraph Bible of the King James Version, I immediately purchased one. I grew up with the King James and, while I do not use the translation as my primary Bible for study, teaching or preaching, I love reading from it at the office. The format, type, font, etc. are outstanding. My dream Bible, however, is simple: Single column, paragraphed, 10pt text, no red letter, brown highland goatskin (or comparable binding material -- of which I know not), NRSV, no apocrypha, text only. Mark, thanks for again stressing the importance of the single column, paragraphed format. Oh yeah, thanks for this blog!

DLE

Dittos on the amens. This is one reason I enjoy reading the J.B. Phillips NT more than any other.

Frank Viola wrote a pithy piece excoriating our tendency to think in chapter and verse. I think he's right. This is why the Bible reading plan I advocate revolves around reading entire books in one sitting, examining Scripture in its original textual format. It's a revelation when we read this way.

Nathan Stitt

This touches on the main reason I use my TNIV The Books of the Bible for my daily reading. It's not my preferred translation, not glued, nor leather bound, but the layout on the page is perfect for me. Thank to Mark for exposing it to me, and I have been promoting it ever since. I also really enjoy the layout of my old NEB, which is fantastic. Mark reviewed a NEB paperback NT, and I was able to find the both testaments w/ deuterocanon in a sewn hardback. Here's the link for my daily bible if anyone's interested:

http://thebooksofthebible.info/main.php

Nathan Stitt

Oops. That should have read "not sewn" as it is in fact a glued paperback.

Rod

Amen. I hail from a tradition that doesn't read enough but focuses on verses and words. As a teacher, it is a hard mind-set to overcome. Context!
That's what these formatted Bibles help with. I think there needs to be an international push to focus on READING! Thanks, Mark. While I know your focus may be on Bible layout and binding, you are having an influence in pointing all to JUST READ IT!!!

Michael Swoveland

I am going to stick my neck out and be different here. I know that the original manuscripts didn't have verse or chapter breaks and were of course not double column, so I am not going to argue that point.

However, I like a double column format. I am also fine with a center column, but I prefer a column on either side of the double columns of text (so you really end up with four columns). I also like the verse breaks because it helps me remember where things I want to go back to are located. I know that I am old fashoned, some would say archaic, in my tastes, but that is just what I like. I like my Bible to look and feel different than any other book I own.

Having said that, I think Mark makes a great point about context. I don't think a person should ever assume he grasps the meaning of a verse until he has read at least the twenty verses before and after it. Too many wacky ideas have come about because a person will pull out a single verse and build a theology out of it in a vacuum. In any document, context matters.

Tod Twist

I appreciate Mark's concern for readable design of the printed page.

Mark makes a great point here that goes beyond simply emphasizing better attention to context. He writes:

"I can build a topical sermon based on a series of phrases pulled from various parts of the Bible, but if my thought process is unsupported by any particular passage in Scripture -- i.e., if I end up arguing points never argued by any biblical authors -- is the result really accurate?"

It's a great question, and I applaud the concern for reproducible interpretation. Is the Bible a single coherent web, a series of coherent passages, or a series of coherent books brought together under a single cover? No doubt, readers of this blog will fall on different points of the continuum on this issue, but paragraphed settings of text can help readers see the passage-by-passage or book-by-book approach MUCH better. The weakness of the "Bible = one huge book" approach is that we can lose awareness of the concerns of the biblical authors and unknowingly force our own concerns onto Scripture.

If something as seemingly simple as page format can help people better understand the concerns and agendas of the biblical authors and not simply import their own concerns onto the text, then more power to designers!

Thanks for a great post, Mark.

PDS

Well written and great points. The only additional comment I'll make is that quality of the paper is critical. Bleed-through tires my eyes so fast, often being unable to read for more than 5 minutes or so. Yet, I can sit at my latop and pull up my Logos Bible Software and read for hours. Why? Primarily because of the quality and print of paper. This is one thing that has impressed me with Cambridge Bibles.

Joe

Good thoughts...I've grown to like the single-column format more and more. The TNIV Study Bible is single-column and I believe the ESV Study Bible that's coming in October will be single-column as well.

I particularly like how the Psalms and poetic books look in single-column and feel it's a more natural way to read them.

Debbie Temple

Hi. A friend gave me a very old Phillips Bible, the Gospels In Modern English. For some reason I cannot find it anywhere and am devastated. I would like to replace it. I think it was from the 1950's or 60's, or 70's I can't be sure, I can't remember. It didn't have a dust cover but the hard cover had an all over symmetric pattern in reds and blues, maybe some purple and white, I really can't remember, I only had it for a few weeks before it disappeared. I know that I can get other versions of that Bible from that era but I would like to find the same Bible as I lost, with the same cover. Also, it may even have been the whole Bible. Did Phillips do a whole Bible? or am I mistaken?

Please can you help me? Thanking you in advance for any light you can shed on the matter.

Debbie Temple

bill

Debbie, there are still plenty of used copies available; see Amazon's resellers or abebooks for possibilities. Get one of the old (~1958-1960) Macmillan editions. They were nicely bound hardbacks and the newer ones (esp. the Macmillan "student editions") are poorly-glued junk.

I don't know of any nice leather-bound editions but would love to hear of any.

He did 4 of the OT prophets, that's it other than "The New Testament in Modern English." More on him in his Wikipedia entry.

I like Phillips too. And his page layout design seems to follow all the dictums that Mark preaches here.

Martin B.

Debbie,

In case you haven't found your replacement for your lost Phillips' New Testament in Modern english, there are a a two Amazon resellers (I am not related to them in any way) that have your book with the red and blue symmetrical pattern (they are both student editions - one is 1966 and the other is 1969). They are going for just a few dollars. Hope this helps.

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