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Matthew

I've often wondered if doubling over a bible is hard on the signatures? Any idea?

Jerry

If I ever need to smuggle a Bible in a hat tube...

;>)

J. Mark Bertrand

I haven't had any problems. Typically, I fold one side over, relying on the flexibility of the cover, which means the spine is at a less acute angle than when it's opened flat. Folding at the spine -- the way people sometimes do with little mass market paperbacks -- would be a bad thing to do.

John R

When I click on the links above, I see a price of $160. Am I missing a discounted price somehow?

David

This looks like a result the current exchange rate. The GBP is closer to the value of the dollar now. The exchange rate has been in our favor (in America) for quite some time now, but it looks like things are changing.

Brian Manns

I believe this is by far the best review of any bible I have ever read. Mark is known for extensive, detailed reviews but this one takes the cake.

In an unrelated note, I recently had a Cambridge NASB wide margin in goatskin start to come apart. I sent it in to get a replacement and they have started making all of the new wide margin goatskin bibles with a rounded spine and outside stitching just like on the new ESV wide margin. Most of you might know this but I wanted to share.

David

Oops, I think I got my point across, but I made a mistake. To simplify things, the value of today's dollar is less in relation to the GB Pound than before. Just 2-3 months ago, the same Bible would have been $20 cheaper.

Matthew

"I haven't had any problems. Typically, I fold one side over, relying on the flexibility of the cover, which means the spine is at a less acute angle than when it's opened flat. Folding at the spine -- the way people sometimes do with little mass market paperbacks -- would be a bad thing to do."

...it just seems like a lot of stress to be bearing down on that fragile connection, i.e., the threads and holes that hold the signatures together. Sounds like a question for a binder.

J. Mark Bertrand

There's no stress involved, at least no more than would be produced by opening the Bible -- and if it can't stand up to that! The bending is not at the spine, but at the cover, and there's no additional "pull" on the binding. The only thing being stressed is the board under the cover. If it's leather-lined or has a flexible board, no problem. If it has a stiff, unyielding board, it either won't curve or it will crease at the curve (which is why some covers, after 'yoga', have a bend in them that has to be massaged out -- like the photo I posted of the genuine leather PSR).

Fr. Bill KLock

Mark, you made me laugh with this one. Nice hat, although I prefer my crushable black Fedora "softy" that doesn't need a fancy tube for storage. (http://mybabyjo.com/hats/bluesofty_lg.jpg)

Alan Craig

I have listed on Ebay a R.L. Allan's Bold Print Reference Bible in Black Kidskin:-
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330340642247)

and a very rare R.L.Allan's Slimline Bold Print Reference Bible in Cantara Goatskin:-
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330340649199)

Both are only on 3 day auctions so you will need to hurray!

Alan Craig

I have now listed a veritable plethora of rare and unusual NIVs on Ebay, including the Cambridge Leather Lined Celebration Text Bible, a Hodder and Stoughton Russet Calfskin Thompson Chain Reference, some R.L.Allan's Bold Print Reference Bibles in Black and Brown Kidskin, a Hodder and Stoughton Pocket NIV Textbible in Black Calfskin and a Zip and the NIV Study Bible in Black Goatskin. Check out my items for sale on:-

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/craigchambers211_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZ

If you want to e-mail me and make an offer on any of them then please do through my Ebay shop...I am very open and friendly and want these to go to a good home!

Joe P

Mark, How does this bible compare with the Allans's ESV 1 Higland Goatskin Tan. Do you think I would be happier with the slightly larger size since I am used to much larger bibles?

Marvin B

Exquisite pictures and text. I am eagerly awaiting your other textual offerings this fall.

David

Is this bible black letter? I can't seem to find that info on any of the sites.

Kathy

David, yes this is a black letter Bible. Most if not all Allan Bibles are black letter.

Jon Neil

If you had to choose between this and the Cambridge single-column NIV bible, which would it be? I am a Navy chaplain, so I need something large enough to read from the pulpit, but small enough to take on deployment (ship or land). Also, I am particular about a high quality text block. I prefer one not printed in China.
BTW, I haven't received it yet, but just purchased a Pitt Minion ESV as my first ESV bible. My intention is read through it over this year and therefore carry it with me all the time. I assume it may be a little small for my regular preaching Bible, but if you would recommend that size for my overall needs listed above, I might consider a Pitt Minion NIV as well.
Thanks for any help you can give.

bill

Chaplain Neil, the text in the single-column Cambridge is highly readable, including from a podium/pulpit. Many on this forum, who aren't even big fans of the NIV, consider it their favorite bible because of its readability. For my eyes, the text in the Pitt Minion is positively tiny. I can't imagine reading it from a distance, although of course your mileage may vary. However, it has references, which if you only have space for a single Bible, might be a considerable factor. Have you seen both? They're really quite different animals.

Crazy idea alert...A lot of Walmarts still have the $15 "version" of the Cambridge that you could compare to any number of Pitt Minions (even if not an NIV) that a quality bible bookstore should have on hand. Should make the decision easier, if you can see them (or approximations of them) side-by side. And rest assured, the Cambridge is far more beautiful than the utilitarian Walmart version!

Or you could buy both and get deployed on a carrier. I understand they're pretty big.

Chris Bloom

As a former carrier squid, I can tell you that while they start out big, they get very small after about six months at sea. But I was an enlisted man; all officers get palatial suites, right Chappy? ;)

Jon Neil

I've tried to post a couple of times, and it hasn't worked for some reason. I went with the NIV single column Cambridge and preached from it this last Sunday. It is extremely legible, though just a tad heavy and large for carrying around. It will likely be my regular preaching Bible when I preach with the NIV, but it would also make for an excellent reader from home as the single column is well suited to longer periods of reading. Does anyone have a particular ESV that someone would recommend for the same above specifications?
BTW, the ESV Pitt Minion is the perfect size to carry everywhere, especially when it is necessary to pack light, but the text is on the small side. Also, I have yet to be stationed on a carrier, but from what I've heard the state rooms are palatial compared to other ships;) I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I get my chance. Thanks again for all your advice. I am currently stationed n Naples, Italy so I have to order any Bible I buy online.

Chris Bloom

John, The Allan ESV Reader is a fantastic Bible, with a large, very legible font, though it's two columns rather than one. Like your Cambridge NIV, it's a little too big to slip in your pocket, though.

I don't have the extensive knowledge of quality Bibles that a lot of people here have, but the clearest and easiest-to-read text that I've found is in the ESV Waterproof Bible, of all things. The font isn't especially large, but the "paper" -- actually plastic -- is extremely opaque and the print is very crisp and clear. I bought one out of curiosity, and have been very pleasantly surprised. Again, it's not pocket-sized, and it's heavier than most comparably-sized paper versions, but it's also dang near indestructible.

In fact, if you'd like one, email me at lechroom at gmail dot com. I'd be happy to send one to a fellow salty dog, just to thank you for serving.

bill

Jon, for single-column ESV's, I think your choices, from small to large, are
1. the Personal Size Reference: typeface is bigger than a PittMinion but still pretty small
2. the Literary Study Bible: only about 15% of the bulk is the literary notes, which many here sort of ignore. Text is quite readable.
3. the (recently discontinued) Single Column Reference: This is not "paragraphed" but verse-by verse. Very generously-sized type, but this is a big, fat Bible, considerably bulkier than your new NIV.
4. the ESV Study Bible, avail in Compact (about the size of 2), Regular (a little bigger than 3), and Larger Print (absolutely huge). Unless you really want the notes, I doubt the ESVSB is what you're looking for.

Quite frankly, none of the ESV single columns approach the Cambridge NIV in readability (and cult-like devotion!) although there's some with good eyes that are really digging the PSR, which is even available in a deluxe Allen edition.

For 2-columns, the Reader is probably the best if money is no object. Chris isn't the only one who likes the Waterproof, although I haven't seen one yet. I'd throw in the ring the "value thinline text" edition which can be had for $10, although it's hard to beat the price Chris is offering you! It is remarkably readable and portable. It's not "my favorite bible" by any means but I find it's the one I use the most because I can keep it stored on my printer within hand's reach without fear of cracking the printer's plastic case like some of my other volumes would!

Chris Bloom

Bill's right, of course ... the Value Thinline rates far above its price tag. The Literary Study Bible is also a really nice single-column, with a good layout out and notes that are both very interesting and remarkably unobtrusive and easy to skip past. If you'd rather have the Literary SB, let me know .. I have one I was about to sell at the local used bookstore, so you're welcome to that one instead.

Andrew

Love this Bible. My only complaint being that the blue end pages get caught on the cover, where the cover overlaps the lining. It is fraying the corners of the pages, and I've only had the book for a month. It is very flexible and readable though, and I love everything else about it.

Chris

Does anyone around have one of these available? If so, I would be interested? Thanks.

chris(dot)fodera(at)gmail(dot)com

Ed

I have a brand new Allan 1984 NIV C1 in Black Highland Goatskin that I would like to find a new home for. I'm offering the bible at $119.00 plus $6.95 for insured shipping within the U.S. If interested, send me a note at ewfarmer(at)yahoo(dot)com to inquire. Cheers.

Gene

I'm looking to buy a few slimline or thinline bibles (KJV). if anyone knows where i can locate some please let me know.
Thanks

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