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December 15, 2009

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John

Maybe if it didn't say "Journal" on the front. Moleskine still makes the best journals, I suppose.

Wilson Hines

I have been looking something like this for a long, long time. Something that could even slip into my Brooks Brothers suit or overcoat pocket. The Pocket Journal would seem to be a solid fit. The biggest reason I am balking at purchasing is described in the title of the post "R. L. Allan's Journal (Third Generation)". I genuinely want something that I can fill up and buy more that are empty along the way. Third Generation tells me there will be more changes or maybe even a cancellation.

It would be my chance that they would either change the deminsions, re-work them in a way that is unattractive or flat out discontinue the series. It would seem that the story of my whole life has entailed me falling in love with one product or service of highest quality, only to have the item discontinuted.

As a 35 year old, I am finishing my B.A degree in Christian History (Baptist concentration) and I want to go on to a ThM and PhD, eventually. I could see something like this carrying me along my way. Something I could give to my girls for them to remember their father and hand down further. But, at the same rate, I am simply afraid of cancellation.

I would like to ask Mr. Betrand and the other R.L Aland customers here there thoughts on this product with my point of view in mind.

Thanks so much.

Wilson Hines

PS.
I have already informed my wife that my ThM graduation could
easily be topped off with a R.L.A ESV :)

J. Mark Bertrand

I know what you mean, Wilson. I kick myself daily (well, weekly) for not having stocked up on the first generation Allan's Journal. And if you read the reviews I linked to up front, you'll see that when Moleskines came out, I bought a case-load of them thinking there was no way they wouldn't disappear overnight. I still have a bunch of that original batch, still shrink-wrapped. But now I get notebooks for their own sake, not worrying too much about a lifetime commitment. My guess is that the Allan's Journal will stick around in one form or another, but will change with every printing in response to customer feedback.

I'm with you on your first point, John. I wish the covers were plain, or that the text were smaller. I'm not with you on the second, though. Moleskines are great, and I use 'em, but there are better journals on the market. Where they excel, I think, is balancing performance and price.

Kyle Hedrick

Mark,

I'm just curious about your statement that there are better journals on the market than Moleskins. Certainly Allans journals are better but are more than double the price (fortunately, I did purchase several of the Allans journals that came in the slip cases and had, in very large gold letters, "Allans Journal" emblazoned across the front. While I would prefer not to have the word "Journal" across the front as these new journals, there is something about the large, gold print "Allans Journal" name across the front of the older model -- almost trademarkish -- that really appeals to me). Are there any journals you find to be as good or better, but at a comparable price? Second, other than Allans and Smythson, what other journals to you consider "better" regardless of price. I realize this is an opinion thing -- but hearing your opinions is why we all pay such a premium to access this blog!! Thanks for another great review and Merry Christmas!

J. Mark Bertrand

You pay a premium ... but not to me! :)

Journals comparable to Moleskine, worth checking out: Field Notes, Quo Vadis Habana ("made in the USA with Clairefontaine paper"), and of course Rhodia. Pen bloggers seem to be impressed with the latter for its ink handling. Once you step up to leather, the problems begin. The ones at Barnes & Noble typically have glued bindings. The Smythson ones cost and arm and a leg (and an ear). I'm not aware of any journals with comparable quality to the Allan's Journal at a similar price point. Maybe someone else has come across them. The Smythson and Allan's notebooks are the only ones I have that I can roll up in my fist, Panama-hat-style. I suppose I should post a photo ...

Steven T. Rogers

I was very supprised at the size of the lines, but using my custome 005 pigma its perfect so i get alot more writting in a smaller package. I to wish theyre was no "journal" on the front and that they had the bigger size in highland. Overall I am very very pleased tho! Just makes me sad when i have a typo.

Mark Shields

Mark,
Will you be reviewing the ESV Reader's Edition any time soon? Thanks Mark...

J. Mark Bertrand

I believe they're en route now, Mark.

DavidF

I'm just curious, but does anyone out there prefer writing with a pencil as I do? I use several lead widths depending on the line width of the paper and don't have to worry about bleedthrough. I've used pencil for years for both Bible notation and other notetaking.

Doug

DavidF, I sometimes use a pencil for marking up books other than my Bible, but I don't recall ever using one for journal entries. My preferred writing instrument for journaling is a fountain pen, but I don't expect that to be a good option when I crack open my new Allan journal at the first of the year, as it essentially has Bible paper rather than the heavier paper I'm accustomed to in my Moleskine journals. I've always been afraid I could tear my Bible pages with a pencil - maybe that's unfounded. What size lead are you using when marking your Bible with pencil?

Brian

I want one very much, but the question becomes whether I would feel too guilty writing daily notes, work assignments, etc. in it (and thereby making it useful and not just an objet d'art.)

Also, someone asked up-thread about Moleskine alternatives. On the value-conscious end of things, Piccadilly makes Moleskine clone that's similar in quality but about half the price. I think they're available at Borders.

DavidF

Doug, I've used two lead widths in Bibles before--in a wide margin, I've used a 1.1mm width but that's too wide for smaller areas, so I usually use a .5mm width now. I've never torn a page with either, but then with mechanical pencils, the leads don't get sharpened into an actual point. I also prefer using a 5mm width "drylighter" colored pencil lead for highlighting then a more liquid one. I'm sure it's just amatter of personal preference but I like the tactile feel of pencil on paper. If I feel the need to erase something, I've found that Staedtler's Mars plastic white erasers work very well on India paper, one just has to make sure to hold the page taut while doing it. In my experience, it gets the full lead mark off the page no matter how hard/dark the lead.

Bill

As far as cutting the paper with pencils, I think the bigger factor is lead hardness instead of lead size. Standard hardness is HB, but I like softer, like B or even BB, especially for the 0.3 thicknesses, in Bible marking.

Wilson Hines

DavidF and Mark B,
The implement used while writing has also been a dilemma. I have a Cambridge WM KJV, is that a comparable paper to what they used with these Journals?

Of course, I want to keep the bleed through to a minimum, or a fat zero, if possible. If a mechanical pencil will do the job, that is the implement of choice.

Fernando Villegas

My concern about using pencil is that it would rub off with time. Does anyone have notes in their Bibles written with pencil years ago?

Wilson Hines

OK, I have ante'd up!
I ordered tonight.
I seriously doubt I will see the Journal before Christmas, with Evangelical Bibles being in CA and I in NC, but I will surely be enjoying them before New Years.
Now to decide on an implement.

Wilson Hines

What about a compromise: .7 mm http://bit.ly/5JblJN

DavidF

Fernando, I have pencil notes from years ago in my Bible and indeed some are slightly rubbed but none are rubbed off. I also have notes written with ink that are far more degraded than the pencil from the ink's oils separating and soaking through the page--of course now with archival quality inks separation wouldn't be a problem although bleedthrough would still be.

Wilson, I'm not sure that I've ever used a lead that width. My wider width was a Scripto classic, my thinner lead was the Cross Century. Older Cross pencils have a wider lead but I'm not sure of the width, it's somewhere in between and is very comfortable to write with as well.

Bill, All my leads are HB or #2 for writing. Softer leads in refill sizes for pencils are hard to find (for me anyway.) I find drawing pencils with softer leads inconvenient to carry for writing.

Wilson Hines

OK, just picked up the Fisher Space Pen from Amazon for $18.11 with free two day shipping :) I just liked how it appeared on the page and the fact that the bleed through was just very minimal. I am still interested in writing with a pencil. When I was in college I was given a Cross set with a pen and a pencil. I lost the Pencil a long, long time ago. Now, I think it would be fantastic to work with the journal with a pencil, a real good one, at least.
It is amazing how your taste change with time.
Thanks to Mark for this fantastic site. I have found several things that I have been looking through the years.

Bill

DavidF et al,
I find http://www.jetpens.com has a good selection of leads down to 0.2mm dia. BB (or 2B) down to 0.3mm dia. Good prices on drafting mechanical pencils too, that take the superfine leads.

Unless you have awfully big margins, I think you'll find writing very small with very fine leads helps a lot. It just takes some getting used to.

Wilson Hines

I ordered Friday NIGHT from Evangelical Bibles. It is sitting on my kitchen table as of right now. That is crazy. Crazy good service. I was blown away. I haven't opened the box and the Wifey has it on her side of the table. It'll go under the tree! :)

Phil Steller

Those are very beautiful looking journals. It's kinda funny how it says "journal" on the front, in simple type. Looks cool and old fashioned (I like old-fashioned - in fact, I often use quill and ink bottle when writing). I'd be tempted to buy one, but then, I generally look for cheap alternatives. Even moleskines are too expensive for my tastes.

I do all my Bible journaling in Pentalic Traveler's Sketch Books. Well, not just Bible journaling, prayer journaling, life journaling, note taking, etc. The Pentalic books are really cool. They come in a variety of bold colors and are nice, pocket sized. I put them along with my Bible and other church things in my zip up bible case. I like how they accept both ink and dry media art (in case I'm in the mood to sketch along with my journal writings). Of course the price is right, as they are cheaper than just about any other option I've ever seen - and the quality doesn't suffer as far as I'm concerned. I think they are great!

Alaric

I'm going to be getting one of these soon and I would love to see some pictures of the new caramel tan pigskin journals if anyone has any. They sound interesting.

Vibram Five Fingers

This site sounds amazing and appeals to it addict in me.

Vibram Five Fingers

This site sounds amazing and appeals to it addict in me.

Mike MacCalla

My first /allan's product was their large Journal in black. Whaich I recieved just recently. I have been looking for such a fine durable journal for lesson notes for a decade or more. I purchased it after reading your first review of these fine journals.

Now if I could just decide between the Ruby and Brevier Clarendon Bibles.

Mike Joseph

Hey, I also prefer goatskin cover. Its simple yet attractive. Easy to hold specially pocket diary as its too small there is always a risk of losing it. Liked the pocket journal. Good one.

Chris B

About journaling with a pencil... I saw an episode on the military channel about soldiers who fought during World War I. An elderly woman was showing an old journal which was found on her uncle who they found dead in the trenches. Everything was written in pencil and it was still pretty clear after all those years. She said she read it regularly.

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