R. L. Allan Reader's Reference Edition ESV

Critics divide an artist's lifetime of work into eras or periods. If I were to do the same thing for the R. L. Allan Reader's Edition ESV, I'd have to say this comes from a later, mature period, in which a variety of earlier experiments have come together to create a superlative and very refined edition. The ESV1 in its various iterations, the ESV3, the recent PSR ... all that labor has now culminated in a work of art.

These days, things often fail to live up to the hype. I'll be honest, the idea of a bigger Allan's ESV didn't get me too excited. I like small. So my expectations weren't as high as some. Then I opened the box and saw the Reader's Edition for the first time. My expectations reset.

 

It's not a question of innovation. We've seen most of the details before. The genius here is the execution. Everything is better than before. Allan's took the now-defunct Heirloom setting of the ESV -- essentially an enlarged Classic Reference -- and commissioned a special printing by Collins, adding extra space at the margins and selecting a higher quality paper than what we've seen on previous Collins-printed text blocks. The margins change the footprint. This isn't just a bigger ESV1. It's taller and also wider, which means it takes full advantage of the liquid flexibility of the highland goatskin covers. For the first time, Allan's has delivered an ESV that rivals the KJV Long Primer for look and feel.

 

The color options are consistent with the ESV1 range: tan with copper/tan ribbons; brown with copper/tan, green, and purple ribbons; and black with dark blue ribbons. As with all naturally grained covers, you'll see variation from skin to skin. Of the three pictured here, the black has the most pronounced, most rustic grain, the brown is the most smooth and refined, and the tan lies somewhere in between.

They're beautiful, of course. My wife is accustomed to a superfluity of Bibles around the house, and as a result they all look the same to her. Not these. She seized one (the dark brown) and started explaining to me everything she liked about it. Needless to say, that one's hers.

 

While there's variation in the grain, color is very consistent. The new Allan's Pocket Journals match their big brothers perfectly. The paper in the journals is the same as what's bound in the back of each Reader's Edition. Seeing them together reinforces the maturity I mentioned earlier. This is a range of editions now, not just a handful of unrelated options. 
 

 

 

Let's start on the outside and work our way in. The Reader's Edition has more in common with the ESV1 than color options. The covers are identical. In a photograph, without any reference for sizing, you might mistake one for the other. That's a good thing, in my book, because the ESV1 is superb. The Reader's Edition has the same naturally-grained goatskin cover, which means there's no heat-stamping to give the leather added stiffness. The inside front cover is stamped HIGHLAND GOATSKIN and the inside back is stamped ALLAN BINDING. As with the other ESVs in the range, the text blocks were sourced from Collins, then bound in the UK by a binder that also does work for Smythson of Bond Street.

 

But things aren't the same under the cover. Paper quality is a growing concern among readers, and R. L. Allan has taken that to heart. This edition's paper has been upgraded. Combined with the added margins, something magical happens, something that makes the same leather cover that's on the ESV1 seem not at all the same. The weight of the text block and its relative width and slimness create the "Long Primer effect," a melty, decadent slouch that delivers pure tactile bliss. 

 

 

If the photo above reminds you a Cambridge wide margin, it should. The Reader's Edition feels very similar in use, though the scale is slightly different. Here's a stack of ESVs, smallest to largest:

 

On top is the discontinued compact edition (rebound by Abba Bibles for LeatherBibles.com), then the Deluxe Compact (rebound in natural pigskin by Leonard's). These represent the small end of the spectrum, more or less pocket-sized. Third from the top is the new R. L. Allan Personal Size Reference, which is a step up in size, roughing the same footprint as a Pitt Minion but twice as thick. In the middle is the venerable ESV1. Underneath it comes first the Cambridge Wide Margin ESV and then the Reader's Edition. The ESV Study Bible is at the bottom.

This photo illustrates the realities of scale. The Reader's Edition is a little taller than a Cambridge Wide Margin, but not as wide. It's a little taller and just as wide as an ESV Study Bible, but less than half as thick. Another angle to better illustrate the point:

 

Looking at the spines, you get a sense that the Reader's Edition is the same (perhaps even a little bigger) as a Cambridge Wide Margin and the ESV Study Bible. From this angle, though, it starts looking smaller than both. That proportion -- tall and wide but not too wide -- accounts for the beautifully balanced feel of the Reader's Edition in your hands. It's big, but not too big. The proportions seem generous but right. Out of the box, these Bibles feel well-worn and broken in, like you've been using them for a decade or so. 

 

 

 

 

This is probably the best Allan's ESV to use for self-defense, too. Curl it up in your hand like a rolled newspaper (see above) and the size and weight will make it quite handy. Ideal for pounding a pulpit. Speaking of which, I think the name "Reader's Edition" is a misnomer. I understand where the idea comes from: the larger type size makes reading easier. But this is a Teacher's Edition plain and simple. If you preach or teach from the ESV, this is the ideal Bible. The type is large enough that you're not going to lose your place or strain while reading. The cover is limp and flexible enough to fold back so it's never in the way. 

One question that came up on the Bible Design Blog Facebook fan page was whether the Reader's Edition page numbers match the ESV1. They do. This is essentially an enlarged ESV1, so page spreads match perfectly, as you can see:

 

Another thing that came up was this: based on early photos, some people expressed disappointment with the Reader's Edition because the paper didn't seem any better than the ESV1's. Compare the photo above and you'll see there's "ghosting" on both. You can see through the thin Bible paper to words printed on the reverse of the page, and even on pages underneath. This is one of those instances where photos can be deceiving. Yes, there's ghosting, and it's especially visible on the poetry pages where there's plenty of white space. But the paper is not at all the same as the earlier Collins text blocks. It feels smoother, looks brighter, and pretty much outshines the ESV1 and PSR pages. 

What it reminds me of is the Primalux GSM 30 paper used in the ESV Study Bible. You see ghosting there as well, but not as bad as you get with the lesser editions. Frankly, I had a hard time capturing the differences in my photos, but here's a side-by-side of the Reader's Edition and the ESV Study Bible to get the idea across. The type size in the ESV Study Bible is 9.5, while the Reader's Edition bumps up to 10.3 points.

 

 

In fact, the ESV Study Bible came to mind again and again as I flipped through the Reader's Edition. The form factor is so similar, but coming in at less than half the thickness, Reader's Edition doesn't come off like a leather-bound brick. As much as I like the ESV Study Bible (and I really do), it still a little big for regular carry, especially for a weight-weenie like me. But I could see carrying the Reader's Edition. When my wife commandeered the brown one, that's the first question I asked her: "Is this thing too big to carry?" She didn't think so. "It's the perfect size for resting on your lap." So there.

The text is Anglicized, which means words like color are spelled colour. Don't worry, though. The disciples don't wear bowler hats and call each other chaps. If you're a speaker of Americanized English, you might not notice the differences. If you do, be assured they're not typos.

 

Notice the reverse of the title page (below). It reads "Produced for R. L. Allan & Son Publishers." In the past, the Allan process has typically involved sourcing existing text blocks from their printers and then having them rebound in fine leather. According to Allan's intrepid Nicholas Gray (or St. Nicholas, as I think of him) they've had more input into the production of this edition than any other. And it shows.

 

Inside the front and back cover, you'll noticed a line of overcasting, a reinforcing stitch used to better support the binding. This is a detail often seen on vintage Bibles -- in fact, old Oxfords used to come with a card explaining to consumers that this was a benefit, not a defect. These days, you don't see overcasting very often. Personally, I appreciate the fact that they've located it just before the first page of Genesis, so that you can still open the Bible flat at the beginning. I have some older Bibles where the overcast stitching is deeper into the text, and I don't like that.

 

                   

The Reader's Edition cover has generous semi-yapp edges, which means the leather overhangs and curves around the text block in a protective embrace. This ought to be standard on Bibles. It serves a useful purpose and looks great, too. Alas, many semi-yapp covers project straight out, leaving you to bend them over (or not). I like the molded look these edges give to the cover. 

 

The soft semi-yapp edges mean you should never try this at home:

 

I couldn't help it, though. If you're tempted to keep these beauties on the shelf ... don't. Just look at this photo to get your aesthetic fix, and store the real thing horizontally. I'm not sure the weight would really damage the cover, but I'm not a fan of softcovers stored vertically, unless they're in a slipcase.

The larger size of the Reader's Edition makes it a nice pairing with the full-size Allan's Journal, though the covers won't match completely. With black, you're probably good to go, and the antique brown actually looks pretty good with the dark brown highland goatskin (not to mention my Vaja iPhone case).

 

Like the ESV1, each Reader's Edition comes with three thick ribbons whose utility becomes apparent when you use them for daily reading. One marks your place in the Old Testament, one in the Psalms, and one in the New Testament. It goes without saying that the text blocks are sewn, with the signature Allan's white headband. Covers are leather-lined. The text is black letter.

 

The layout is the familiar Classic Reference writ large. As you can see, there's some extra margin, enough for note-taking but not enough to make this a true wide margin edition. If nothing else, the extra space gives the layout room to breath, making the proportions easier on the eyes. Tight margins make a page spread look crowded. 

If a true wide margin is what you're looking for, then you would be better off with the Cambridge Wide Margin ESV, which is specially designed for that use. Here, the margins give you more options without moving the Reader's Edition too far into specialized territory. If you're accustomed to making notes in a regular Bible, this will give you more space, and that's the point. 

 

Which of the three is my favorite? You shouldn't have to ask. My wife may have dibs on the brown, but the tan is all mine. It's such an interested and versatile shade, changing with the light. For you traditionalists, I'm happy to report that the black is gloriously executed. In fact, I prefer its coarser grain. I'm sticking with the tan, though. Your mileage may vary.

 

    

WHERE TO GET THEM
If you've caught the Reader's Edition bug, you can order them direct from R. L. Allan in Scotland by visiting Bibles-Direct.com. They're also in stock (and apparently shipping fast) at EvangelicalBible.com, which also has an index full of technical facts about these editions.

Here's some buying guidance: if you don't have an Allan's ESV already, this is the one to get. The only obstacle I can think of is the size, so you if can't imagine carrying something that measure 10" x 7.25" x 1.5", maybe the smaller ESV1, ESV3 or PSR would be better. Think long and hard, though. If you already have an ESV1 or ESV3 and you're wondering whether an upgrade is worthwhile, I'd say it depends on whether the ESV is your main Bible or not. If it isn't, then I'm not sure if the upgrade is necessary. But if you're using the ESV primarily and looking for a "lifetime" companion, the Reader's Edition seems to fit that bill perfectly. (I'd be interested in hearing what others think.) If you're preaching or teaching from the ESV, I strongly recommend this edition. 

The PSR is still a better compact reader in my book, thanks to its single column text setting and handy size. I'd love to see the PSR printed on this quality paper, with some extra margin and fuller yapp. 

It's a merry Christmas indeed for people who love quality bindings. The Reader's Edition sets a very high standard, raising the bar for future Allan's Bibles. Every detail here is right, and the result is sheer poetry. Cue the triumphal music, because this one lives up to the hype. It's every bit as good as we were led to believe it would be. And that's saying something.

Comments

[DavidT]

Thanks for another great review Mark. I can hardly wait for my delivery to arrive. Merry Christmas bible lovers!
Dave

[Gary Brown]

Thanks for the great review Mark, I picked up the brown readers edition and wholeheartedly agree with the thought that they feel well used straight from the box. The bible fills the hand beautifully without being cumbersome in the slightest. Great bible! I'm going to use it for preaching as the pages match with our church bibles which are the collins reference edition.

[pastormattb]

I have done my best to resist the temptation of getting the Reader's Edition, as my stack of quality Bibles has grown much in 2009. But after reading this review I will be taking the plunge and ordering yet another Allan's ESV. Merry Christmas to me (and everyone else of course)!

[Nate]

Good review Mark,the only problem for me now is do I get the readers edition or the Cambridge wide-margin. I was going to get the wide-margin, but after hearing about the readers edition and reading your review as well. Deciding which one to get is going to be a fairly agonizing decision, best expressed as arrrrrgh!

[Ray]

Thanks Mark for an awesome review & pics! I have a brown Reader on the way. Love your comment "If you're preaching or teaching from the ESV, I strongly recommend this edition." That's exactly why I ordered it - will be using it this coming Sunday. :-)

[Wilson Hines]

I have just spent a few minutes going through several ESV pics on BDB and Allen's site.
In my evolution of what I consider is the "perfect Bible" I like having nothing but the text. If possible, I would do without a linking system and I would really like to go without any type of concordance in the back.

I noticed in almost all pictures that were available of the text they showed "introductions" of books and such. Is this a standard ESV feature, or are there printings without the feature?

[Dave Bush]

Beautiful. Sure with Allan would produce some NKJV Bibles.

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Thanks for the great review! Especially the photo of the antique brown journal over the dark brown RE. I have a antique brown ESV3 and have been agonizing over whether or not to buy an ESVRE. I love my ESV3BR cover but paper quality is poor. Not bright and hardish to read. Compared to the Allan NIV I also have, its definitely lower quality (i.e. harder on the eyes). So if the paper quality on the ESVRE is as good as you say, I just have to pick a color. I'm leaning towards brown now that I know its not the same as my ESV3.

Mark, if not for your blog, I would never have bought an Allan Bible. Now I'm about to buy my third in 7 months.. Skye and the guys must love you!!

Maranatha!

:)

[Matt Morales]

As usual, nice review mark!
BUT my heart will always belong to the single column PSR.

I wonder if there is any chance of getting that nice paper on the ESV1? I just like the size better.

[Erik]

Once again Mark, you not only hit a home run; you hit the ball out of the park!

Fantastic, detailed, and typically thorough review. Your pictures are absolutely stunning and quite honestly, make me drool.

It makes me even more *impatient* to receive my black ESV Readers Edition this week from Scotland.

Again, thanks so much for being such an incredible blessing to us 'Bible lovers' here in the blogosphere.

[Michael S. Swoveland]

As usual I am going to be Mr. Stick in the Mud. As is always the case, the review of this Bible is great, I enjoy reading all of Mark's reviews even if I have no intention of ever buying the Bible in question. However, this Bible just looks too big to be handy for everyday use or taking to church.

I guess my tastes have changed over the years in regard to Bible size. I used to like a bigger Bible, in fact when I bought my first Cambridge Concord in 2005 I thought it was a bit too small. Now I lean towards a Bible with a small footprint and thick text block. For my taste the Cambridge Cameo hits the "sweet spot" better than anything else I have found thus far.

Now I'll get out of the way and let the Reader's Edition love fest continue. :-)

[Knight]

Michael,
I am with you on this. This is a nice edition and a good review but if I am going to spend this kind of money on a Bible I would rather get a true Wide Margin like Cambridge or the Crossway SCR (Though I know verse format is not popular on this blog...:))

As for everyone who purchased one. Enjoy. Maybe if the exchange rate was not so horrible right now this would make more sense to me but as it is...

[William Reed Kerr]

Beautiful! Now if only they would have a sale... 75% off to poor students. Maybe someday. :)

[Joanne]

Thank you so much for this review. It put to rest the remainder of my questions and fears about the ghosting issue. Because of this problem I had to return the ESV1 I ordered in June (55 year old eyes just couldn't take it,) and when the initial photos of the Readers edition came out, I was afraid I might have to do the same with this one. But between your review and the comments of Evangelicalbible.com, I am back to looking forward to the arrival of this Bible with great expectation-today would be great, mailman! I was also glad to hear that your wife loves the brown, because that's what I ordered.

[Tiffany]

A great idea, and I would get one if money grew on trees. LOL

[Vincent Ramirez]

I wonder if I will ever truly have a "lifetime" Bible? I mean, there are so many editions (of course not enough ;) ). Right now I swap between the Tan ESV1 and Cambridge ESV Pitt Minion in black goatskin (modified with leather linings), but still prefer the Pitt Minion because the font seem more appeasing to my eye. I'm sure as my eyesight deteriorates, I'll be using bigger Bibles, and I'm sure there will be something new out.
I'd love to own the RE to add to my collection, but since it isn't going to be my daily Bible, it pains me to pass.

[Richard]

I'll add my "thank-you" to Mark for many great reviews, pictures and introducing us to these works of art in craftsmanship. However, anything over the $100.00 range is difficult for me to actually use. I'm loving my $100.00 ESV thinline calfskin Cordovan thanks to this site and also my $100.00 goatskin Pitt Minion, again, thanks to this site. However, as beautiful as this Reader's Edition is, I'd be so terrified to have it on our church Bible Study tables with all of those cups of coffee just waiting to be spilled upon its fine pages. On a clergy income, losing over $220.00 on a accidental coffee spill or losing my knapsack with Bible in it, is too much of a hit to take in stride. I imagine this is how people feel who drive Mercedes or BMW's, constantly worrying about scratches and dents. For those of us who drive 10 year old Dodge Caravans however, we don't have to deal with that day to day anxiety. For me, "affordable luxury" in the form of Crossway calfskins and Cambridge Pitt Minions is the way to go if I'm actually going to use these Bibles and not develop an ulcer. However, I sure love reading about these Bibles and can experience all of your joy vicariously through your comments and enthusiasm. Thanks for that!

[Benedict]

Enjoyed the photo with the beautiful little icon of our Lord. Thanks, Mark!

[Allen Mitchell]

I received my today and it is very nice. I thought I would comment on the paper/bleed through issue. I ordered an ESV1 in April '09 and I was very happy with it. I saw the ghosting but it didn't bother me. I am in my 40's and throughout the year my eyes started the change where I will soon need reading glasses. Well, in addition to the font size, the ghosting started to bother me. I think since I have experienced this issue from both sides, maybe I can help, lol. My new ESVR has about the same ghosting, but it isn't the same impact to readership as it is on the ESV1 (for those who have issues with it). Here's what I observe: with the larger font and larger paper, the letters are spaced further apart, and this takes away from the intensity of the underlying pages. I pulled out all of my other Bibles to compare. The ESVR does rather well in comparison. I have a Thompson Chain Ref (Morrocco leather w/ India Paper) from the '80's, a few other premium ones, and a Baxter LongPrimer from 1910 (yes, 100 years old). The Baxter has India paper with a levant grain goatskin binding that is still soft with white pages (only a touch of fade) - unbelievable but true. All have ghosting, and the ESVR holds up nicely against them all. It's a keeper. :-)

[Brian Bosse]

Mark (and others),

Thank you for such a great site. I am new to the QBC (Quality Bible Community). I am in need of a new Bible (my NASB Thinline is falling apart), and came across your site a couple of months ago in my search for a quality bible. After much reading, I have narrowed my selection down to two bibles...

#1. The R.L. Allan Reader's Reference Edition (ESV)
#2. The Cambridge Wide Margin (NASB)

I prefer the NASB translation to the ESV; however, I am worried that the font size for Cambridge Wide Margin will be too small (8.5 point), and asthetically, I love the R.L. Allan Reader's Reference Edition (font size, yapp, ribbon size, etc...). Can you (or anyone for that matter) give me your thoughts comparing the R.L. Allan Reader's Reference and the NASB Cambridge Wide Margin? Thank you for your consideration!

Sincerely,

Brian

[Wilson Hines]

Allen, I must ask what are you referring to as "ghosting?"

[JD]

(Sorry for the double post - I intended to comment on this entry, not the previous one.) Thanks for the review, Mark. Allen must be gratified at the reception for this new product. Question: Did any of you who have already received your Allen RE pre-order from evangelicalbible.com? I placed an order on 11/30, and the last time "order status" was updated was when they processed payment against my credit card. This in spite of the fact that I've already received the other item from the same order. There is plenty of anxiety at this point as to whether this Bible is going to arrive in time to go under the Christmas tree - going to be a big disappointment to one family member if it's not, as it makes up the entirety of their Christmas gift. I'm starting to wonder if ordering from evangelicalbible.com instead of direct from Allen (in an effort to support my countrymen) was a tactical error.

[Wilson Hines]

JD,
I know your shipment is of certain precedence simply because of it being a pre-order. Keeping that in mind, I ordered a Journal from EvangelicalBible.com on Friday night and on Monday at around noon that Journal was in N.C sitting on my table from their C.A office. I ordered the "Second Day" shipping. But, you would think with me ordering Friday night around (9 PM EST) I would have missed a cut off point. It basically made time like an over night shipment. I was impressed.

I think your problem isn't a shipping problem, but a supply problem. IMHO.

[Ben]

I too returned an ESV1 last year because of the ghosting. Thanks for your review, Mark. I just ordered a Reader's Edition in brown. Love the three different coloured ribbons.

[John Owlett]

It may seem impossible that there are any remaining questions after Mark's thorough review, but does anyone know which ESV text was used? There are two editions of the US text: the original 2001 edition and a revision in 2007. On which is the UK text of the ESVR1 based? I've been drooling over my copy since it arrived yesterday morning: it's quite the best-made Bible I have ever owned. Like many folk here, I chose one in chocolate brown with the discreetly flamboyant multi-colour ribbons.

[Wilson Hines]

John the EvangelicalBible site said 2007. It is on a page that I'm having a hard time finding right now.

[Wilson Hines]

John there is a table on the EB site that says 2007. I can't find it right now, but I saw it today. I sure would like to know what "ghosting" is all about.

[Michael S. Swoveland]

"I wonder if I will ever truly have a "lifetime" Bible?" Posted by Vincent Ramirez

Vince, Like you I love the idea of having one Bible that I use for everything. I know of a fellow who has had the same Cambridge Bible and used it every day since the 1940s and I think that is cool, in fact I sort of long for that, but alas it is not for me. There are just too many Bibles with too many various features that I like for me to settle on just one.

[KT]

Since learning about R.L. Allan, I've purchased 3 of their Bibles, the NIVC1-BR, ESV1-T & today I received my much anticipated ESVR1BR!! I've purchased all 3 directly from Allan (Scotland). When I first opened my Chocolate Brown Reader's Edition, of course there was much drooling, fawning, sniffing, sighing and.... well.... you know the deal. However, for the first time I noticed some flaws. Much to my disappointment, there is this fold in the paper which begins with the very first Title Page "Holy Bible," and although it lessens, it doesn't end until page 14 (Gen. 17). Then while further checking, there's this very noticeable black blotching on page 1288 of the Concordance on the left margin. It's approx. 1" long and 0.5" wide. I don't mean to be picky, but when you've spent $216.00, this is hard to accept. Other than these flaws, I'm in *love* with this edition! I know it's outrageously expensive to return-ship to Scotland, but I'm having a hard time letting this go. Is anyone else finding these problems with the new Reader's Edition? Thanks.

[Mike Smith]

Wilson Ghosting is where you can see the next pages print thru the paper so that it seems the print looks like there is a ghost white coloring over the next page's print.

[Allen Mitchell]

Hi Wilson, I am using ghosting and bleed through to mean the same thing. It's where you see the text of the opposite side of the page you are reading showing through the paper. Bible papers are thin and other terms used are opacity and tranparent.

Hi JD, I am gratified, thank you! I ordered mine from evangelicalbible.com on 12/11 and from their facebook comments, anyone who ordered before 12/15 is getting theirs shipped directly from oversees to have a Christmas delivery.

[Gary Brown]

John: I can confirm that the Readers edition uses the 2007 updated text. The majority of work done in anglicizing the ESV text was done in 2002 and in the 2007 revision only words in three verses needed alteration due to spelling differences (Isaiah 8:13, Romans 9:21, and 1 Peter 3:15) so the readers edition mentions the anlgicization of 2002 but rest assured it is the 2007 text that has been only slightly changed to accomodate proper spelling (lol)

[Steven T. Rogers]

Im so sad, you guys are gettiNg yours and mine is still MIA. I ordered in Sept. maybe they forgot about my order!

[Scott]

Hang in there, Steve. Are you out west by chance? If so I bet you'll get it today or tomorrow. Believe me, it's worth the wait.

Merry Christmas, everybody.

[Mike Smith]

Steven I live in Penn and still no Bible shipped from Allan's as I also ordered back in Sept. On EvangelicalBible.com facebook page it is noted that many have not received theirs as of yet as of today Dec 23 .

[KT]

I ordered my Reader's on 11/09/09, I live in So. Calif, and I received it yesterday (12/22/09). However, I noticed some flaws, about which I previously posted. GOOD NEWS: I'm happy to report that Allan's has requested I return the Bible the least expensive way possible and they will credit me with the cost to return ship it! They are also assuring me that I'll receive a thoroughly inspected Reader's, in my beloved brown, sometime after the holidays. Nicholas of Allan is off for Christmas, he saw my email on his Blackberry and he still took the time to call someone in their office and have them respond to me. I just love them!! Oh, and not that it matters, but I've actually purchased not 3, but 4 of their Bibles.... I also own the ESVP1-BR (Personal). A bit neurotic to HAVE to add that, but what are ya gonna do?!

[John Owlett]

Thank you, Gary; thank you, Wilson. Concerning ghosting, Wilson, I can say that -- with the ESVR1 -- I am aware of the printing on the other side of the paper, but it does not interfere with reading in any way. This matters to me, so I checked it carefully: I am 61 years old and, although my eyesight corrects to 20/20 with multi-focal glasses, small print in suboptimal light can be difficult. As a comparison, with my KJV (an Oxford Reference Bible, Brevier Clarendon Type, still in print as the Allan 6C) I can read the text without being aware of the printing on the other side. But when I bought it in 1965 it was a very expensive Bible, costing nearly 3 dollars!

[KT]

Thank you Gary for confirming the text edition.
Whoever is waiting for their Alan Reader's, trust me, it truly is worth the wait. I have no idea why I received mine so soon after ordering--on the other hand, the copy I received had flaws... so maybe the ones who are waiting will get the perfect print! Anyway, I forgot to add to my last post that I wish everyone a Loving Christmas and a Happy, Healthy & Peaceful 2010. God's blessings to all.

[Joanne]

Perhaps I missed a previous answer, but has anyone who pre-ordered from evangelicalbible.com (not directly from Allen's) actually received their copy yet as of today, December 23?

[Steven T. Rogers]

KT - that is amazing they responded so fast and are so helpful. Allans has a life long customer from me, tho this will probably be the only bible ill ever need :)

[Robert Novak]

Joanne, I pre-ordered from Evangelicalbible.com and received mine today. I'd also like to hear more comments and comparisons of the ghosting from people who also own ESV1's and Cambridge Wide Margins and Pitts.

[DavidT]

I just got mine, and it is beautiful. Only trouble is, I just can't see myself ever picking up my ESV1 again.

[Steven T. Rogers]

YAY, I got mine today about 1pm mst. Every thing is amazing like the pictures. Some ghosting but better than my thinline esv and psr. I will definately use this until it falls apart ( hopefull a long time from now ) To be honest tho I was expecting it o be a little softer. We just bought a Cordovan thinline for my wife and that thing is SOFT. Not a negative towards the esvr just unexpected.

[Scott]

Told you it'd be worth the wait, Steve. Congrats and Merry Christmas. As you use it that cover will get softer and softer and better and better.

Cheers,

Scott

[Gary]

Sadly, mine didn't come today even though I pre-ordered from Evangelicalbible.com back in September. I live in central Florida and was hoping to get it in time for Christmas. Oh well, hopefully it shows on Saturday or Monday at the latest. Merry Christmas to everyone.

[Mark Shields]

For all you whose Bible's were late, remember that traditionally Christians celebrate the 12 days of Christmas. So it's ok to get gifts after Christmas day. Merry Christmas, Mark...

[Erik]

Just received my black ESV Reader's Edition today (Christmas Eve).

Mark was right on the money. It...is...STUNNING to behold, feel and read.

For your viewing pleasure, below is 100 photos of this incredible Bible.

http://kowalker.com/2009/12/24/100-pictures-of-my-allans-esv-readers-edition/

[Bob Hackett]

Thank you Mark for the great review. When I used to preach out of the KJV my congregation bought me “Long Primer” and the quality and look of that bible ruined me for ever being satisfied with anything less. A problem arose when I changed to the ESV. Even Allan Bibles, as great as they all are, did not have the feel or look of the Long Primer. After some disappointing searching I ended up using an ESV “Trutone” and decided to wait for Allan’s Readers Edition but I was not holding my breath because I am not a fan of wide margin Bibles. But this one doesn’t really look like a wide margin and when Mark says that “for the first time, Allan's has delivered an ESV that rivals the KJV Long Primer for look and feel” I'm sold. Ordering my Black one ASAP.

[D]

Mrs. Claus came through with a black Readers edition. It is a beautiful Bible. Compared to what I've been using, it doesn't feel like a big Bible at all. Thinner than either of the calfskin reference Bibles I have carried. (One ESV, one NASB.) Certainly not pocket-sized, but a very comfortable carry to church. Very well done. Great job by the folks at Allan's!

[Clay Johnson]

I've been waiting for my chocolate brown ESVR1 since Allan's confirmed the rumors that they would publish this edition. It is in my hands today and is everything as described. It is the perfect teaching and pulpit bible, even with my relatively small hands. I am amazed at and grateful for the quality and care of its production.

[Steven T. Rogers]

Just to go along with my previous statment of it not being super soft, after using it for a few days it has softened up alot. It has a strong durable feeling to it as well.

perfect 10/10 love it

[Simon P]

Well, mine arrived today. Chocolate Brown with the lovely satin ribbons. I have bought most iterations of Allan's ESV/NIV Bibles over the last few years in their various bindings. This is certainly the best, certainly my favourite. I totally agree with your assessment that this is their 'come of age' ESV. This is the Bible i've been looking for for years. Readable size for the pulpit and my ageing eyes, yet not too bulky to feel awkward carrying it in a briefcase. Beautifully made as always, proportionally perfect, aesthetically delightful - a truly worthy presentation of its invaluable content. I love it. Could it be bettered I ask myself? Yes - bound in dark green goatskin - I always wanted a dark green Bible :)

[Drew Parker]

I really don't see what all the hype is about. This readers edtion is the same as the esv1. From these photo's, the ghosting is absolutly the same. The text is only 1pt larger and a wooping $70.00 more. This is not justifiable. I wonder if this has anything to do with the esv1 being out of stock?

[John Owlett]

Since this is a discussion about a Bible with fairly large print, may I go off topic to ask for advice about the print size on the ESV Study Bible? I would want to buy one of these as well, provided my 61-year-old eyes can read it. The main text of the ESV-SB is in 9 point, which will probably be OK, but the notes are in 7.25 point. Is this likely to be readable for someone whose eyes correct to 20/20 with multifocal glasses?

Or should I wait for the large print edition (which will be quite a brick!) with type sizes of 10.6 points and 8.55 points?

[John Owlett]

Hi Drew,

An extra point larger type is a big deal for some of us. Sitting at my desk, with a small spotlight shining over each shoulder, I have no trouble reading the 8/9 point type in my Brevier Clarendon KJV. In suboptimal light (ie most church buildings) the extra size is invaluable.

[Mike Smith]

John I am 58 and with my trifocals I am not at 20/20aybe 20/25 -30, yet I can read both the main text and the notes with only the lamp @ the computer table. Hope this helps. Check out CBD I just bought my second copy for $132.OO 2 WEEKS AGO.

[John Owlett]

Thank you, Mike, that was useful. I shall be using the Study Bible only under good light, so I have ordered the Cordovan calfskin edition (from Mark's Last Minute Christmas List) from Christian Book Distributors for $133.

[Mike Smith]

That is the one I bought 2 weeks ago, the black edition I keep at the church office for ref work.

[Walter L. Taylor]

As an ESV enthusiast, I was happy to get the new Reader's Edition Allen. I would agree with what someone above said about the "ghosting." I would have liked a thicker paper. However, font size works to mitigate the bleed through. It is in the 2007 text, in answer to a question above.

In my opinion, nothing has matched the paper size (and very little ghosting) of Crossway's first editions, both the Classic Reference and the Deluxe Reference. Those editions were also much thicker than the ones that followed. The loss of the Crossway Deluxe Reference was a real blow, I think. However, it came only in the 2001 text.

Having said that, the craftmanship overall of those early editions (even the calfskin editions) is nothing like the Allen Goatskin. I look forward to making good use of my new Reader's Edition.

Walter Taylor

[Steve Robenalt]

John - My copy of the Readers Edition says, "copyright 2001, 2007 Crossway" and below, "Anglicized edition 2002"

[John Owlett]

Too Much Time on my Hands over Christmas, Part 1

The Allan Reader’s Edition ESV has captured the interest of the readers/addicts of this blog like no other item in recent months: 60 comments and counting. Fair enough. To many of us, me included, this edition seems to have got everything right. Maybe we shall feel the same about the forthcoming printing of the KJV Longprimer, with three ribbon markers and available in brown.

What, I wondered, are the other blog entries that have generated lots of comments?

The top ten are

1. (with 120 comments) Allan's Reference ESV in Tan Goatskin (10/07)
   
2. (with 93 comments) R. L. Allan's Oxford Long Primer in Highland Goatskin (5/08)
   
3. (with 88 comments) Personal Size Reference Edition (ESV) (3/08)
   
4. (with 77 comments) Allan's Bold Print Reference Edition (NIV) (3/08)
   
5. (with 75 comments) Cambridge Wide Margin Reference Bible (NASB) (10/07)
   
6. (with 72 comments) The R.L. Allan Reference ESV (9/07)
   
7. (with 72 comments) R. L. Allan's ESV1, ESV1T and ESV1 BR in Highland Goatskin (3/09)
   
8. (with 70 comments) R. L. Allan's Oxford Brevier Clarendon Reference Edition (4/08)
   
9. (with 68 comments) Tan Allan's ESV1 Unboxing Photos (10/08)
   
10. (with 60 comments) R. L. Allan Reader's Reference Edition ESV (12/09)
    

Eight Allan discussions, but only one each on Cambridge and Crossway; six ESV discussions, two on the KJV, and one each on the NASB and the NIV.

Do those simple numbers fairly reflect our communal obsessions?

[Stuart]

They probably do John, but not mine - I personally don't understand what all the fuss is about when it comes to the ESV as a translation (the NLT2 & NIV are far easier to read IMO) but I'm flattered that my 'Tan Allan's ESV1 Unboxing Photos' made it into #9 on your Top Ten list!

Happy New Year to you all - looking forward to an NLT review from Mark (& hopefully an Allan NLT release for him to review) in the near future ;)

[John Owlett]

Too Much Time on my Hands over Christmas, Part 2

Having read quite a lot from the blog archives over the last few days, I am left with three significant impressions.

First, a major reason behind the desire for sewn text-blocks and full leather bindings is the need to preserve the notes written in the margins. As a community we write in our bibles; and as a rule we don’t want either to lose, or to have to transcribe, the notes we’ve made. (We also rather like owning high quality equipment, but that doesn’t sound as pious!)

Were it not for this, the economics of good bibles would be shaky. An Allan ESV1 costs $165 and will last probably 20 years before needing rebinding; a hardback ESV Classic Reference costs $17 and will last probably 2 years before the cover comes off or pages start coming out.

A consequence of the need to preserve notes is that the focus of the blog has been on bibles which are used for study. Usually the more literal translations, out about as far as the NIV or the TNIV. If people use, as I’m sure they must, freer versions such as the NLT—for youth work, or for reading whole books of the Bible at a time—they are less concerned about the build quality of the book.

Secondly, most of the community uses more than one translation. Sure, we have some KJV-only folk, and many more who prefer the KJV and in practice use little else. But we have many who have changed to the ESV in the last 8 years, and these seem to retain an affection for their former version. A lot of names crop up in the comments on both ESV and KJV threads. Ditto, to a lesser extent, ESV and NIV. There seem to be quite a few folk who have a battery of 3 bibles: ESV (for study?), KJV (for poetry?) and NIV (for book-at-a-time reading?).

Thirdly, the focus of concern is moving from leather quality to paper quality. Perhaps that’s because those who want sewn text-blocks and good leather can now get them—at a price—not only from Allan and Cambridge but also as Nelson Signature or Crossway Cordovan Calfskin versions. But even the best modern bible paper is translucent in comparison with the India paper on Oxford or Cambridge bibles of the 1960s.

[Winston Waldemayer, III]

Sold!! I want them all! Great pics as always. Fantastic review of these. I don't own an Allan ESV yet. Decided on the Ruby and Crystal from Allan's quite awhile back and have not had the errr...ummm proper resources to dive into buying one of these. Thanks Mark.

Winston Waldemayer, III
http://www.reigningimmortal.com

[Bryan]

Mine shipped from Allan's in Glasgow on 1/5/10. . . I'm not sure I've been this anxious about any other online purchase I've ever made.

[Scott]

You are in for a treat, Bryan. I've got mine but I can almost feel your anticipation. I remember those long days. Waiting is not easy. I'd tell you to look at the pics more but that may make the waiting worse.;-)

Cheers,

Scott

[David L Humphrey]

Here's an easy way to determine which edition of the text is used in an ESV Bible. The first difference between the two editions is at Genesis 2:19.
The 2001 text begins: "So"
The 2007 text begins: "Now"

[James Thompson]

I, too, "pulled the trigger" and ordered the ESV Readers Edition - Dark Brown. My Allan's library will now be the Long Primer, the ESV1 Tan and soon the ESV Reader's Edition. My primary reason for the purchase is the larger font. And though I was raised KJV and still dream and quote it, my audience is mostly NKJV & NIV. I also find myself studying, preaching and teaching from this version more lately.

To the horror of some I will be marking up this bible as I study -- always been a part of my study habit. I've never been dissapointed with Allan's bibles, ordered directly from them. Tried to call evangelicalbible.com but could not locate a phone number for them. (I think I remember reading somewhere that they purposely hide their phone number to keep costs down.) Anyway, now I'm anxioulsy awaiting delivery -- 14 days? I'll post my impressions once I receive it if anyone's interested. Blessings to all!

[J.Raymond]

I received my Black ESV Reader yesterday and it is truly a work of art, however, the paper is not any different than my ESV1. In comparing the ESV Reader's paper thickness with my ESV Heirloom, the Heirloom paper if far superior. The Heirloom has absolutely no bleed through (ghosting) from the reverse side. Out all my bibles I possess (Cambridges, Nelson Signatures,Oxfords,and other Allans), it feels the best in my hand.

[Bryan]

The Tan is even more beautiful in person. As great as these pictures are . . . they just don't do that color justice. Too bad the Tan I have is a gift and I can't keep it. It's not hard to settle for the chocolate brown though.

[Kimball Bullington]

Does the Reader's Edition include a red-letter option? On some of the others I believe it was associated with cover color. Thanks for the wonderful reviews.

[Richard]

Hi Kimball,

I do not own an Allan's Bible, but I'm sure they do not produce a red letter Bible. All of their Bibles are black letter.

[James Thompson]

I just received my Brown Reader's Edition ESV from Allans today! Delivery was a little faster than I had expected. It took only 9 days. I think on their web site they said 10 - 14 days.

The first thing I noticed was the smell - there's just something about the smell of a new bible. I love the color in spite of the fact that I think you just can't beat classic black but since I have the Long Primer in black and the ESV1 in tan this color will fit nicely within my Allans' library of bibles. I was most interested in the paper difference. It's not the same paper of the Long Primer but I just can't tell if the paper is any different from the ESV1. Mark's review says the paper has been upgraded but if I had to bet, judging on the feel, I'd say it's the same paper stock. One thing is definitely different, it is a better reading format. My eyes will really appreciate the larger font size and because the pages are larger this will readily accomodate teaching/preaching. The bible fits comfortably in my hand and I love the extra space in the margins for notes. I know this horrifies some but I make notes in all my bibles. I love the ribbons, I wish my Long Primer had more than the single thin ribbon it has.

All in all, I am pleased with my purchase. It will get many hours of use! Those are my initial reactions. Hope this helps any that are "on the fence" about a purchase. Go for it!

[Marvin]

O.k., I am going with the tan. Put in the purchase order today direct from Allan's--of course after the obligatory mention that I had seen it first here. Now, I can only wait. Wait for this, and of course I am also waiting for Mark's first novel in the summer.

[John Hingelberg]

I need help! I am considering purchasing an Allan's ESV Reader's Edition. I read blogs about the ESV1 in highland goatskin. I bought an Allan ESV Bible in highland goatskin, but I could have sworn it was an ESV2. I do not see mention of the ESV2 anywhere. I see ESV1 and ESV3 on this site. Is there a difference between the ESV1 and ESV2, if so, what?

Regarding the Reader's Edition, I am truly interested, but am afraid it may not be worth the cost. My original tan ESV was costly enough. Is the difference between the two enough to invest? After all, I just graduated college and my funds are limited.

I am also curious to the difference between the ESV and NASB translations. Can anyone care to comment?

In addition, the only complaint I see with the ESV Reader's Edition is the ghosting pages. Does Cambridge do a better job with this? I am also considering a NASB wide margin or Pitt Minion. However, the Allan ESV in tan Goatskin is the only quality Bible I've ever had in-hand. Please cyber chums, can you help? I need counsel regarding this decision...

[Michael Smith]

John the difference between ESV1 and ESV3 is the 1 is top of the line goat skin and leather lined and the 3 (not 2 done in a while I think and it was not goatskin) is goat skin with buffalo grain,( also in the niv) but not leather lined and no maps. I have both and find the 1 is wonderful but I use the 3 as much and also crossway's classic edition trutone for my everyday for over two years it has worked well for me.

[Michael Smith]

John the Nas is not as good for pulpit or class reading I have found it great for study. I find the ESV just as good but reads better. Go to the ESV web site for more info about the difference, J.L.Packer had a great article in the past n that site. He felt the ESV was between the NAS and the NIV, the best of both translation.

[John Hingelberg]

I am on the lookout... Where is the best place to find an Allan Reader's Edition ESV in black highland goatskin? The two websites I see are the evangelicalbible.com and bibles-direct.com.... Which one is better? How do the prices compare?

Does anyone out there know where I could find the Bible I am looking for? Please let me know...

God Bless,
John

e-mail: perfectstillness@gmail.com

[DavidT]

John,
When I got my Readers edition I knew I would never pick up my ESV1 again, so I gave it away. For me, the Readers fixed all of the problems I had with the ESV1. Mainly the larger font. But I also think the paper is better. I do not have the sense of "ghosting" that I had with the ESV1.

Also, either of the two sites you mentioned are equally good places to purchase a bible. Any difference in price will be very small, they both offer excellent customer service! I speak from experience.
Dave

[Chris Bloom]

Any of you happy ESVR owners want to unload one of those old, inferior Allan's ESVs? I'm here to help relieve your burden, brothers. ;)

[John Hingelberg]

Hello Cyberspace,

How do the ESV and NASB translations compare? I am interested in the ESV Reader's Edition, but I am also intrigued with the Cambridge NAS Bibles Wide Margin and Pitt Minion. These are the three I am debating between. Can someone please help?

Is a wide margin pointless if I do not plan on writing in it? The Pitt Minion might be too small for my taste... With the Reader's Edition I am just concerned that it may not be worth the expense being that I already have an quality Allan ESV1.

Thanks,
John

[Stephanie]

John,
I own both an ESV1 and a ESV Reader's Edition as well as a Cambridge Wide Margin NIV. I consider the Allan's ESV Reader's Edition to be the perfect middle ground between the ESV1 and the Cambridge Wide Margin. What I mean to say is the Reader's Edition is a vast improvement over the ESV1, yet it is not as awkward shape-wise as the Cambridge Wide Margin. The Reader's Edition has a wider margin than the ESV1 but it isn't as wide as the margin in the Cambridge Wide Margin Bibles. If you don't plan on taking notes in the Bible I would hands down recommend the Reader's Edition, which also has superior leather to the Cambridge Wide Margin Bibles. As far as the Reader's Edition being worth the expense, I believe it is, for me, it is easier to read and the margins make it easier on the eyes. Not to mention it is a pleasure to hold, more of an average sized Bible where the ESV1 is a bit smallish for my taste. I do not regret my purchase in the least. Also, when comparing prices you want to look at what the exchange rate is and bibles-direct has a currency converter that will do that for you. I have ordered from both places and they both have outstanding customer service. I hope this helps you in your decision :-)

[Tiffany]

Does anyone know what the ESV Upgrade at evangelicalbible.com is? It pictures the Readers but at a different price.

[D Bryant]

Tiffany: If you have backordered an ESV1 from evangelicalbible.com this page will allow you to upgrade that order to an ESVR1 for $30. The ESV1 will not be available again until summer 2010.

[Simon]

Hi,
Can anyone comment on the smell of the paper of the Readers Edition? I am allergic to the smell of some book paper, most notably the type of paper used in recent editions of the Message Bible by Navpress (the older ones e.g. 2002 have a different paper which is fine) and also the ESV Study Bible has a similar paper smell (though not as bad as the Message). The message paper that I don't like looks quite yellow, while the ESV study bible paper is whiter I think it has the same chemical in it though perhaps not as much of it.

I'm considering the Readers ESV but I would not want to get it and then find I am allergic to it! Once I had a uni maths textbook that I had to keep in a sealed plastic bag in the garage.
Simon

[Bill]

Very interesting comments, Simon. Good luck with your allergies! I'd like to see paper get more attention on this site so here's hoping you get lots of comments.

Have you seen an Augsburg-Fortress "People's Bible" in NRSV? That has sort of cream-colored paper like the new Peterson Messages. And the NIV Archeological Study Bible has a definite tan paper color. (The ASB is also widely stocked in neighborhood religious bookstores so it should be easy for you to find one if you don't own one already.) It might be interesting to see if either or both of these set you off.

I'm having trouble gleaning much technical information on paper off the 'net. The book/Bible vendors leave the impression that off-white papers are more natural, supposedly using less bleaching, which would be less hostile to our environment. But I'm jaundiced enough to think this could just as easily be normally bleached paper which gets coloring added later. Can anyone confirm/deny? If so, it's not that the bleaching is necessarily removing something that you're allergic to, it could just be that the added dyes are what's bothering you.

[Simon]

Thanks for your comments Bill. I havent seen the People's Bible but will check it out. I've seen the NIV Archeological Study Bible, if I remember correctly its a different kind of paper with quite a different smell, like a book with coloured photos.

Yeah I would guess that in most cases yellow paper is just dyed but some of it might be naturally unbleached, especially if it looks coarse and "recycled", which would be more of an off grey color than yellow most likely.

Its probably only 1 book in 50 or less that I have a problem with. I read somewhere that the paper on the Allan's Readers ESV is different (better) than on the older ESV editions from Allans, more like the ESV Study Bible (which is what made me concerned)

[Jerry]

Love the binding but the paper ghosting is almost too much for my eyes. I was really excited to receive the Reader's. I must admit that I have put it down and have returned to reading my ESV Study Bible. Much better paper for my eyes. I was so looking forward to my Readers.

[bill]

Interesting comment, Jerry. Mark's photo and comment about the paper would lead one to think the Reader's and the SB should be equivalent in ghosting, with the Reader's getting the nod in readability if only because the font is bigger.

Would you say your (reading) preference for the SB is due to actual differences in the paper or possibly differences in ink? The "30" in Mark's paper description is supposed to be weight so the paper should be the same thickness--can you confirm by measuring any difference in say 1000 pages of the Readers vs 1000 pp of the SB? Maybe it's a difference in boldness of print or choice of typeface?

Maybe the single-column layout of the SB aids readability in a psychological way that isn't readily quantifiable??? The poetic section of Job that Mark illustrates certainly shows, at least to me, the aesthetic advantages of single-column.

[Lonny]

I received a black esv readers yesterday and was elated, to say the least. It is almost breathtaking when you open the box for the first time. And then you get to hold it. It is almost a distraction for me, I spend a lot of time admiring and smelling it, not as much reading as I would normally. I have done a lot of research and reading of forums ( this one in particular ), and wanted to make sure that this would be a good investment. I can say without a doubt that it is. I actually received it as a birthday gift so it wasn't my personal investment, but I sort of requested it. My only qualm with it is what Jerry was talking about, the "ghosting", it is rather distracting and sometimes just to much to handle, especially when I'm tired. The problem areas are in the poetic type portions of the bible, like Psalms, Proverbs, Job and such. I also have the allan PSR which seems to not have the same problem as the reader, and from what I've read the allan esv1. I'm wondering if it does have something to do with the double column format vs. the single column. Maybe its just a matter of paper weight and color, or the combination of both. I don't know. To conclude my rambling, this bible is awesome, if you are not affected by ghosting than it is without a doubt the bible for you. If ghosting could be an issue than you may want to consider another bible, in my humble opinion. I personally would never give this bible up or send it back because of the ghosting but I may switch to a different bible when the old eyes start getting tired. Lord Bless

[DCB]

I preached from my ESV Reader yesterday. Awesome pulpit Bible. I can't imagine me ever buying another Bible unless it's from Allan. These Bibles are superior in every way and a delight to own.

[James Thompson]

Wow! I just realized I have not used my ESV1T since January! Boxed it and put it away when I received my ESV Readers' Reference Edition. I took it out of it's box and let the memories run through my mind but I know now that I'll probably never use it again. I may give it to my brother or son, not sure who right now. My main bibles are now the Long Primer and the Readers' Edition. Both fit nicely in my hand and both are easy to read and preach from, both represent the finest tradition of quality. Of the ESVs it think Allans got it right with the Readers' Edition -- very few negatives with this bible. Thanks Allans!

[Tom Nowicki]

I have a black calfskin Crossway Classic Reference Bible, and I was wondering how the binding and leather quality compares to the Allan Reader's bibles? I'm guess I'm trying to justify buying one if the quality is much better than the Crossway.

[Sally]

I will be ordering an Allan ESV Reader's and was wondering if there is a difference in flexibility, or "limpness", between the dark brown and the black covers. Anybody know? I would prefer the black I think, but not if it is not as limp as the dark brown.

[John H]

Sally - there is a degree of variation with the highland goatskin i.e. you can get two dark brown copies which differ slightly in feel. I compared the two in my local bookstore and the only real difference was the grain - the black had a more noticable grain while the brown had a smoother finish

[Gary Brown]

Sally - I would agree with John, the only difference tends to be in the grain not the flexibility. I have a brown and a tan. One is a smoother grain than the other but both are wonderfully flexible straight out of the box.

[Sally]

John and Gary....thank you! I think I'm ready to take the plunge now. :)

[Bill Saunders]

A few days ago, I ordered one of the Allan Readers Reference bibles in black Highland Goatskin. This will be my first bible of such fine quality and I'm looking forward to years of enjoyable reading. I'm an old guys so it's likely my son/daughter-in-law will get more use out of itthan I will but that's okay.

Bill

[Gary Brown]

A good sentiment Bill, I hope future generations of my family will enjoy some of the fine bibles that i have invested in too...

[Tom Nowicki]

My brown Readers Bible came in yesterday and it is AMAZING! Thanks Mark for a great review and for introducing me to R.L. Allan and their quality bibles. This is a bible that I plan to read and study for a long long time.