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December 21, 2009

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Bill Saunders

My readers edition arrived a couple days ago. It's a beautiful thing. As has been said before, the quality is top notch. Now my challenge is to be worthy of such a fine bible.

Dale

Well.....after reading this blog, I finally bit the bullet and ordered a dark brown Allen's ESV Readers Edition from evangelical bible.

Selected the expedited shipping to have it here this week, but I am already on pins and needles ready to open the package. This will be my first really nice bible and I have been looking for one that would last my lifetime. This may be it.

Thanks to those of you who gave excellent descriptions of this bible and took pictures. It helped me to invest in one of these.

Dale

Alright, the bible came in today and you guys were right: It's beautiful!

I've been carrying around the black calfskin ESV Study Bible since it was published, so the first thing I noticed about the Reader's Edition is the light weight. If you want a bible that gives you plenty of room for notes while not being a cumbersome haul, this is a good one to get.

I guess because I'm used to the ESV Study Bible paper, the ghosting issue that was mentioned previously is not an issue for me either.

Beautiful bible; ordered on Monday and arrived all the way on the east coast on Wednesday from evangelicalbible.com. If you want your order quickly, I strongly recommend ordering from these guys.

Chris Bloom

I just "pulled the trigger" on a black Reader's a few minutes ago, and I'm already getting impatient. Considering the nicest Bible I've ever had was a TruTone PSR, I'm really excited about it. A lot of people makes jokes around here about finally buying their "last Bible", but at $200 this may actually have to be my last. I figure I can reasonably expect to live another 40 years or so ... it should last that long, I'm pretty sure. ;)

bill

Good for you, Chris. I think you'll appreciate the added readability of the Readers in your last 40 years! I think you'll find the typesize of that PSR mysteriously starts shrinking on you in the next decade.

Chris Bloom

Thanks, Bill. I had it narrowed down to the Reader's or the Cambridge WM, and decided that if I was going to have one nice Bible in my life it was going to be the best there was. Also, I sometimes teach the 2nd-5th graders on Wednesday night, so the ability to roll it into a bludgeon seemed like a plus.

John

Chris, I just bought the Reader as my last bible a month ago. It could very well last you forever. For me, it makes me want more premium bibles. Since then, I got an ESV pitt minion and it is a struggle to not buy more. Oh well, you can never have enough bibles lying around...right?

You are going to love the reader.

Dale

That's funny John, because the same thing happened to me. I bought the brown Reader's last week and then about 72 hours later decided I absolutely had to have the Pitt Minion ESV in brown goatskin....haha. For somebody who loves nice books/bibles and has no other expensive hobbies or tastes, these Allan and Cambridge editions are like crack.

Chris Bloom

John, the reason I found this site in the first place was that I was looking for info on the PM. I'd still like to have one, but part of getting this was a promise to my wife to hold off buying non-thrift store Bibles for a couple of years. I suppose Ol' Blue, my venerable compact TruTone, can last till the end of the year, and next year being the KJV anniversary means I'll be carrying that version around instead. Maybe by then Allan's will have a sweet little pocket model ready for me ...

And I prefer to think of this sort of thing as bookworm porn, Dale. Crack" seems so gauche. ;)

Alaric

Getting the ESVR T later this week. Can't wait to get my hands on it! I'm already planning on getting the NIVC1 from Allan's, the Brevier Clarendon in brown highland, and the black highland goatskin NASB later this year. I haven't even gotten the first one and I'm already an addict! At least that covers all my favorite versions, so I shouldn't need a new bible for decades. That should give time to recoup the hit! ;)

Alaric

I just received the ESVR1T and I'm floored at the quality! The shock from switching from bonded leather was huge. I was becoming an addict before, I think I'll need an intervention now... ;)

Sarah Lutterman

I purchased an ESV1 black... thought it was beautiful but I haven't used it much. I like the way the text looks on those message bibles. I would buy a readers edition if they would come out with the NASB translation, single column, paragraph format. Although the allans keep their customers happy and come out with better and better products, I think I will hold out for a Bible that has an inside as wonderful as the outside. I guess I'm just picky, but it is a good deal of money. Meanwhile, I'll open my ESV 1 more often... otherwise..what's the point? :) Glad most of you love your new Bibles... I am sure they are beautiful.

dale

Alaric, the Tan was a good choice. I bought the Brown and Tan and find myself using the Tan almost continually....there is something about that color that grows on you more and more. Enjoy it!

Brian Miller

Page 1...

I recently received an Allan Readers Edition in Black Highland Goatskin (ESVR1). Before I comment, let me note that in the ESV translation, I also have the Crossway Heirloom and the Allan ESV1, both being purchased in 2007, so my ESV1 may be slightly different than the latest version(s) of the ESV1, more on that later. Both of these Bibles lack the changes made to the ESV in 2007.

The quality of the ESVR1 is as everyone says, beautifully made. In comparing it to my ESV1, it is much limper; the cover is softer on the ESVR1, I don’t necessarily have a preference either way. My (older) ESV1 has different paper, it is stiffer, where it even makes noise if you handle the paper, where the paper in the ESVR1 is very limp; flipping through the ESVR1 is much more fluid than with the stiffer ESV1. Neither have what I’d call bright white paper, more on that later. The printing on the spine is stamped into the ESVR1, where it is just printed onto my ESV1 and it is wearing off a bit and I don't handle it a lot.

Both Allan Bibles open up flat and nice, where my Crossway is thicker and while it now lays flat, the pages “bulge” up near the middle, I prefer the way the Allan Bible’s lay open compared to my Heirloom; I do wish they moved the text a little more centered in the ESVR1. With page size looking the same in my Heirloom and ESVR1, I have a smidge more room to write on the inside of the Heirloom. The ESVR1 and Heirloom dimensionally are about the same, the yapping of the ESVR1 makes it ever so slightly bigger, with one exception, the ESVR1 is thinner and much lighter, both of which I much prefer. The ESVR1 is a joy to handle and thumb through; it works with you rather than against you, if you know what I mean. The Heirloom is heavy and stiff.
A side note, I am pleased that Allan doesn’t load up the front of their Bibles with a lot of pages of stuff that is unnecessary, in my opinion.

In the three years using the ESV, my Crossway Heirloom has been my daily reader. While I have always preferred the ESV1 in quality and for size in handling, the Heirloom is easier on the eyes; I actually came very close to sending my ESV1 back because the way it affected my eyes, ultimately I couldn’t bring myself to do it, I have used it as my “carry” Bible, whether to Church or wherever. The Heirloom Bible is big and heavy, it uses paper that is heavy and very white, so bleed through (ghosting) is not an issue; I have a preference for paper that is brighter white, rather than white’ish, or rather, yellow’ish.

This is where Allan consistently is lacking in my opinion, their paper. In comparing either of my Allan’s to the Cambridge wide-margin Bibles, where I took both my Allan Bible’s in store to compare, I MUCH prefer the paper in the Cambridge Bibles; their paper is much whiter, has far less ghosting, all the while the paper isn’t real thick and heavy, such as my Heirloom. While I believe that Allan is using quality paper, it simply can’t match that of Cambridge, and at the MSRP prices of the Allan Bible’s I find this a bit unacceptable...

Brian Miller

Page 2...

My new ESVR1 has worse ghosting than does my older ESV1; I have read from others where they feel the current (out of stock) ESV1 may be the same paper, mine clearly is not the same. My ESV1 has more ghosting than I’d like, but it doesn’t seem as bad now after comparing it to the ESVR1; if the ESV1 had whiter paper I think I may have less of an issue with my eyes; I have been reading it some the last couple weeks and while I have enjoyed doing so, there is no comparison to that of the Heirloom with its paper and larger print. One thought that comes to my head when reading the ESVR1, to give a visual, it reminds me of reading something written in pencil where words were erased and instead of a clean erase, the previous markings were smeared and then written over. I think part of this is because the ESVR has very dark print, where my ESV1 looks more “faded”. The ghosting in both of my Allan Bible’s is less bothersome in lower light.

As mentioned above, I compared the ESVR to a wide-margin Cambridge, it was a NASB. When looking at the two side by side, opened, the Cambridge text looks much cleaner, especially when you open up to the Psalms, where the ESVR1 looks like a mess with all the ghosting.

I really wanted to prefer the Cambridge in light of my issues with the ESVR paper, but it has its short comings too. As noted by many, the font should be at least a point larger. But beyond that, being these wide-margin Bibles are in paragraph format, nothing is done to make the verse numbers stand out, such as make them bold; I found it very hard to find a verse within a paragraph. On that same note, trying to hunt for a margin note or cross reference was also a major task as the print is very small; I had planned that if I wasn’t satisfied with the ESVR1 that I would purchase the Cambridge wide-margin, this now doesn’t look as compelling as it once did.

As it stands right now, I can send the ESVR1 back, something I am contemplating; it is a bit frustrating as for years I have wanted a high quality Bible that I would use for years. I would consider other translations other than the ESV, but would only consider the NASB or maybe NKJV but there are fewer options for those, at least in the higher-end Bibles. If only Allan could use the same paper used by Cambridge in their wide-margin, dare to dream!

Joe

@Tom Nowicki... I also own a Crossway Classic Reference in black calfskin, but wanted the Allan ESV Reader because of the larger font. I'll comment on it's comparison when I get it in... probably in about 2 weeks.

Brian Miller

Page 3…

I did decide to send the Allan Reader’s Reference back. Admittedly I did struggle with the decision, but ultimately the ghosting was too much for me.

I returned it in exchange for the Cambridge wide-margin in black goatskin. In comparing the two, I prefer the leather on the Allan, it is simply a wonderful Bible to handle, but the Cambridge paper is much superior in my view; it is bright white and ghosting is a non-issue for me. The Allan is “broke-in” right out of the box, where the Cambridge is a bit stiff and needs a little break-in.

John

Ghosting really doesn't bother me. I agree that it's hard to beat the paper in the Cambridge wide-margins.

Chris Bloom

@Brian Miller -- I found myself in the same dilemma, choosing between the Cambridge WM and the Reader. The ghosting in the Allan is noticeable to me, but not distracting, but I can see how others might find it a problem. I personally like the larger font in the Reader as well, as I teach a lot and need to be able to find my place on the run.

All in all I'm just glad we have such a wide range of choices. To own a Bible at all is a blessing; to own a really well-made one is a joy. I hope you enjoy the Cambridge as much as I do my Allan.

John

The Cambridge and the Allan are both awesome. I couldn't choose. :)

Brian Miller

@Chris Bloom -- I too like the larger font of the Reader; I have used the Crossway Heirloom for the last 3 years, which the Reader's Reference is the same text block, or whatever you call it; I still really like my Heirloom Bible, I just wish it was the 2007 text. Not only is the font large, words are spaced apart as well as each line from one another.

Both Bibles are to be commended on the dark print of the ink.

As many have stated, if the Cambridge wide-margin Bible's used a bit larger font it would improve an already great Bible. And if Allan used the Cambridge paper, we'd be near perfection.

Gary Brown

@ Brian Miller - I have to agree with the last comment. As someone who is privileged to own a copy of both the Cambridge WM and the Reader,combining the strengths of both would produce an amazing edition. I have to say that the crucial issue for me is font size so much so that I use my Reader much more than the WM. In fact I've always thought that the paper in the WM is so good I'm afraid to mark it (lol) I ended up marking an old bonded leather NASB. But even this has been taken over by my ESV online account where I can write notes and highlight to my hearts content. That's progress I guess!

Todd F.

To each his own, and to me it's the Cambridge ESV Wide Margin Reference in Black Goatskin.

After handling both Allan's ESV Reader's Reference Edition and Cambridge's Wide Margin in Goatskin covers, I have to say Cambridge has made a better product. Granted, it's a bit like comparing tangerines to nectarines; because the Reader isn't a Wide Margin, it allows for a larger font size and smaller width. And the Reader also has some nice features like semi-yapp and an extra ribbon.

Yet, Cambridge has 4 things I adore over the Allan Reader:

(1) the Cambridge font looks a bit more stylish, classier than the Reader font. Cambridge's font says "Bible" to me, whereas the Reader font says "I've also done some work in Bibles".

(2) the Cambridge center column reference is bordered and therefore the text layout looks noticeably cleaner than the Reader as your eye scans down the page.

(3) the self-titled wide margin. If the font speaks "Bible", the wide margin on the Cambridge screams it. Not just perfect for note taking, the margin space accents the text layout. Puritanical, yet sensual at the same time. The wide margin is downright sinful to behold.

(4) the Cambridge paper wins hands down. The font, the text layout, and the margins make the Cambridge look like a Bible; the paper makes the Cambridge feel like a Bible. The paper on the Cambridge Wide Margin is second to none. Thick, white, clean. No ghosting. Turning the leaves of the Cambridge Wide Margin is a heavenly experience.

The Allan Reader is a fine Bible. The Cambridge Wide Margin is a finely crafted Bible.

Dale

I agree with you, Todd, that the Cambridge wide margin is a great bible. I have a hard time deciding which one to pick up every day: the Reader or the Wide Margin.

I don't want to do without either one of them, honestly. If I had to buy just one though, it would be the Reader in tan.....

Paul Shaffer

Has anyone received the Readers Edition in Crimson red? Thoughts?

Gary Brown

I have the crimson reader's edition and have to say that it is breathtakingly beautiful. I love the reader's edition anyway and am not too bothered by the somewhat subjective 'ghosting' issue, IMHO all bibles suffer from 'ghosting' to some degree. The colour (yes I'm English) is outstanding. It shows a multiplicity of tones depending on the ambient light from a luxurious wine colour in fading light to a full on crimson in the sun.

The build quality is... well it's an Allan's so need one say more.

All in all this is another quality choice in the superlative reader's edition.

Michael A. Albert

I reluctantly ordered a ESV Readers Edition in Brown Highland Goatskin (ESVR1BR) on August 11 from Allan. Reluctantly because I am currently living and ministering in the Philippines and I was concerned that it would be stolen from the mail before I could lay hands on it or that the climate would destroy it as it has on my store bought Bibles and my books. My other option was to order and have it sent to the States, to await my return at the end of September. Like a kid at Christmas, I wanted now and I was not going to be here that long, anyhow! However, it arrived on August 31 safe and sound and I have to say that it is a beautiful piece of work! I have never seen such craftsmanship in a Bible. I used to think that buying genuine leather was the ticket. The color of the goatskin on my Allan is a rich dark brown with nice grain. The font is perfect for my old eyes and the bleed through on the paper is not bad at all and does not bother me in the least. And the Highland Goatskin smells like a new car! Three ribbons tops it off, one hunter green, one royal purple and on a golden brown. All in all this investment...my present to myself for being here for 4 years...is well worth the money. Thank you Allan for your professionalism, your dedication to turning out a quality product and I will be buying again from you!

Michael A. Albert

Oh, I forgot to add that I ordered an Allan Journal along with my ESVR1BR in the same color. Like the Bible, it is an excellent piece of work, so much so I almost hate to use it! Well, what are you sitting here reading my posts...go put in an order!!! You will NOT be disappointed.

Caroyl

Wow, I am so glad someone posted a comment on Amazon that mentioned the Allan's bibles. I have a NIV purchased over 30 years ago. I spent a pretty penny several years ago having it rebound in goatskin as I didn't want to change bibles & lose my makings & notes. Well, here I am with pages falling out & so now I am ready to finally transcribe them into a new bible. I visited the local Christian bookstore & they had only lower quality bibles. They did however introduce me to the ESV. I was not familiar with it so I called our pastor in AZ (we moved a few months ago) & he gave it high praise. After reading this review, I plaved my order for the new crimson reader direct from Allans. I heard back from them that there have been delays, but it should ship this month. Like most of you, I can hardly wait...this will be my first ESV & my first super quality bible. Thanks to everyone who posted here & to Mark for thr fabulous review!

Michial Brown

This is my first Allan. I ordered the tan for me and the brown for my wife. I noticed the brown is a tad more supple than the tan but not by much. Every piece of leather is unique. They are both wonderful. The paper too is fantastic, very "little" ghosting. I have no idea what all the fuss and complaining is about but don't let it deter you from investing in one of these beautiful gems. I just a brown PSR and can't wait for that to come. In the future I hope to get a crimson NASB too. I had a cordovan ESV study bible and thinline I bought from amazon but its texture was "too" soft and squishy, and just not right for me, almost causing my hand to sweat and just feel weird, but these goatskins have the soft smooth buttery feel and the nice sturdy grainyness as well. The ESV wide margin goatskin is really nice too but the binding and finish on the Allan is first class too. Thanks Mark for this blog. Thanks Evangelicalbible.com for the great customer service too!

Ulf

I've Just received the Black Readers Bible (and the Longprimer in brown). Fantastic!! I have the HCSB Minister's bible in calfskin, and while it is soft, there's no comparison.

I've noticed the point about the bleedthrough of the paper, and yes, it's there. No, I don't have a problem with it. The bleedthrough causes this bible to only get a 9/10 score (the Longprimer gets a full 10/10).

The quality of workmanship is unparalleled, and the smell is probably the most evocative I've ever tried.

Amazing quality.

Brian

I received this today...

Crossway is in the final process of implementing a small number of changes to the ESV Bible text and text notes, similar to what most translations have done in the years following their initial publication. The ESV 2011 changes represent a very small fraction of a percentage (as compared to the number of changes made in recent years to other leading translations). Most changes are minor, primarily involving grammar, punctuation, and the textual footnotes. The ESV 2011 text will be available online in mid April 2011, and the first print editions that include the 2011 changes will be released soon thereafter.

Randy Rogers

Based on the comments herein, and the excellent review, I purchased the Chocolate Brown Allan ESV Reader's Edition from evangelicalbibles.com and even changed streams (changed from black binding to the brown) and received the purchase within a few days in excellent condition. In retrospect, I would have elected to buy next day shipping just so I could track the shipment.

I highly value the new Allan ESV and it is now my primary study/church bible. The binding and layout is superb.

I'm a very happy return customer, having previously purchased an Oxford Long Primer KJV from Allan/Scotland back in 2006.

Michael

Now I'm really confused about the "ghosting" issue with respect to the ESV Reader's edition. Some persons find it so distracting that the ESV Reader's edition is not worth the trouble. Others do not even mention the "ghosting" at all and are very satisfied with this Allan edition. Is it possible that the paper or ink varies from text block to text block in a way that creates this "problem"? Or, are different people just "sensitive" to the ghosting issue?

John S

My wife and I both have a Reader and the ghosting is the same. If ghosting bothers you, it will be an issue. Ghosting doesn't bother me very much. I wish there was less ghosting, but I still enjoy reading this bible immensely.

Brian M

@Michael - I doubt there is any difference, they all should be the same. As John says, some people are more sensitive than others or maybe some chose to overlook it simply because they like the quality of the binding and cover. While I don't have as many Bibles as some, I do have quite a few and I find this edition to have an excessive amount of ghosting; I so wish this were not so as this Bible uses the same print as my daily Bible, Crossway's Heirloom Edition, and I would have been extremely pleased to have replaced my Heirloom with the Allan, but alas, the ghosting was way too much for me and in my opinion quite sad for a Bible of such expense.

Crossway has their 2011 ESV rolling out this month and while I'd like to have hopes Allan will come out with an edition of this and also not have the ghosting issues, I lack that confidence and suspect it could be a year or so before coming with a 2011 edition, so I am considering a new Crossway Edition.

Gord

After much reading on this site and other internet research, I requested the Readers ESV in black highland goatskin as a graduation gift. I received it this afternoon, and it is exceptional. I posted the unpacking here: http://gord.posterous.com/unpacking-my-grad-gift

Andrew

I really am wanting one of these. Two things are holding me back.

1. Page ghosting.
2. The page edges getting caught on the overlap of the cover on the lining. Happens to my NIVC1 and bends the page corners/edges.

Knight

Andrew,
I know what you mean. I have been very close to buying a couple of times but there are too many reports of people returning them due to the paper issue. Is this being picky? Sure it is but for $200+ I think a little pickiness is understandable.

I ended up going with the Hendrickson ESV Minister's Bible in Genuine Leather. Reports I have seen indicate that the Leather is very good and paper quality is also good. I have not seen this myself yet but hopefully they're right. If not my investment is only $40 and I can still return it.

Terri H

I contacted Allan's about the possibility of an NASb Reader. Here is their response:

Dear Terri

We're so glad you enjoy your ESV Raeders edition.

We do plan to introduce a two column NASB reference edition not dissimilar to the ESV Readers edition early in 2012, when it is printed.

We'll post the details on the website when we have definite news.

Kind regards
Nicholas Gray

Bo

Just curious: are the current ESV Reader's Editions printed with the 2011 text or the 2007 text? Thanks.

Raymond

I had posted previously regarding my purchase of an ESV3 that I didn't feel the value was worth the cost of that particular version. I just recieved my new ESVR1 in dark brown and could't be more pleased. Allan has out done themselves. The quality put into this Bible is a wonder to behold. i would recommend this as an investment which will give you years of Bible study without having to replace a Bible full of study notes after only a couple years.

Paula

Thank you for your comprehensive review. I began with your review of the Cambridge Wide Margin and came around, page by page, to this review. I'm excited to receive my *brown* Allan Readers Bible. (Tell your wife I'm with her, LOL) I had never heard of Allan Bibles till now, can't wait!

John Hingelberg

Anyone interested in buying a Black Reader's Edition in highland goatskin? It is in great condition. There is no writing anywhere and no wear to the binding whatsoever. I purchased it a few months ago, but would like to invest in the single column instead. There is nothing wrong with this Bible and it's still in the original box. Let me know if you're interested. John - (734)788-4633, jhingelberg@gmail.com

Jim Meyers

I appreciate these reviews but it would be nice to know the origin of manufacture of these top shelf bibles.

bill

Jim, I think you want to know the origin of the paper, of the printing process, of the textblock sewing/preparation, and of the binding. You can get 4 different companies or countries involved.

Instead, what the publisher will brag about is the origin of the LEATHER that went into the binding process!

Janet

Just bought a copy of this beautiful Bible in black and was wondering how to care for it ( and how not to ). Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Kaleb

Janet: The best thing for most leathers it to be handled. The oils your body produces are what keep your skin in good condition, and leather really is just skin. SO the best thing you can do for your Bible is read it a lot. Actually.

I'd believe that God set that up on purpose.

Paula Peck

Hello, I just wanted to tell you that based on this review, I purchased this Bible in brown. I waited anxiously for its arrival and loved it when I received it. It does have ghosting but it is not enough to bother me. In fact, to me, the ghosting contributes to the beauty of this Bible! (That's how much I love it!) I had never heard of R.A. Allan Bibles before this. I've had it for several months, and last week we took a trip to California via Delta. I packed my Bible and my study, not knowing that shampoo from a previous (car) trip was in the outside pocket. When we arrived, the shampoo had broken open and leaked into my suitcase. My study was soaked with shampoo, but my Bible, thanks to the full yap, was completely dry except for the cover and ribbons.I cleaned it off, and, No Damage! Woohoo~ I was so happy! I can now attest to the fabulous quality of this binding! Thanks for such a thorough review!

James Thompson

I understand that the ESV Reader is going to be out of print soon and won't be available again until sometime in 2013. I imagine others of you have heard that also. I'm speculating that Allans is either going to upgrade the paper in the Reader or upgrade to the 2011 ESV text or both. I'm wondering if, Mark, you've heard anything specific?

Gary Brown

James: I had the opportunity to visit RL Allan at their HQ in Glasgow Scotland recently. I was shown the unbound sheets of what I believe to be the replacement for the ESV readers (of which I have a copy). I can confirm that the paper has been upgraded and the version was I believe the 2011 ESV text. Looks like it will be a great bible, I'll be getting one when they are released which I believe is in January 2013

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