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February 19, 2010

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James Thompson

Mark, good review and not a bad idea for an "all-in-one" bible. I might be tempted had you not already increased my library of Cambridge and Allan bibles. BTW, my wife wants to talk to you... ;=)

Practically speaking, I have use a generic minister's handbook and over the years have developed my own special set of "guides" for various occasions but I can see this bible benefiting those who haven't or perhaps want an "all-in-one" sort of bible. Thanks for the review.

Thomas

Thoughtful review - thank you.

It looks like it might be helpful for layfolk also, so we can know what's going and look/ study things we usually only hear someone else read or say.

I recently got a copy of the ESV study bible and have been enjoying it.

Fernando Villegas

Years from now, we will be asking ourselves, "Where were you when the Lamp Shot was born?" :) My only regret was that I missed the birth of the Yoga Shot.

Fernando Villegas

On a more serious note, I ran into the genuine leather version of this Bible late last year. I really liked it; but right now I'm ministering in Spanish churches, so it's not very useful at the moment.

There's a similar Bible in Spanish (in both RVR1960 and NVI), and I actually like it better in that they place the helps between the Old and New Testaments, rather than in the back. To me it feels easier if you're holding the Bible during a wedding or funeral, for example. It's also more of a thinline style, which for me feels much handier for overall ministry use. The problem is that it only comes in imitation leather (the bad kind, not the True Tone). I was planning on having it rebound by Leatherbibles.com, who I used before with very good results. But I checked with Zondervan, the publisher, to ask whether it was sewn or glued; and they told me it was glued. :( So, I'm out of luck for now, unless anyone out there knows of a Spanish minister's Bible comparable to the high end English editions.

Oh, when will I find the "Marcos Beltran" who will lead me to the promised land of high quality Spanish Bibles??

SAWBONES

Just BTW and FWIW, I bought a goatskin covered Hendriksen Minister's Edition of the NKJV because it's the ONLY way that version can be obtained in a "non-red-letter" edition! (I hate red letter editions! Nelson, Cambridge... ALL of them in the NKJV are red-letter editions!)

I don't need or use the ministerial helps, but the paper quality is quite good, the type size is adequately large, and the cover is supple and leather lined to boot.

The Hendriksen Goatskin Minister's Edition binding is NOT up to the quality of the Allan goatskin bindings, but it's better than the Cambridge bindings available for the NKJV (Pitt Minion and wide margin) and FAR better than anything from Nelson (whose bindings are well beneath mediocre, sad to say).

In the ESV, OTOH, unless you really do need the ministerial helps, I'd recommend getting an Allan ESV1, since it's black letter, and the bindings are the best that can be had.

Doug Rider

To Fernando Villegas,

I just had a pocket reference bible, that was glued, rebound in very nice red Nigerian goatskin and it is beautiful. It was done by a well known binder living in Daytona Beach, Florida. His name is Paul Sawyer, and you can find his website if you google it. He did my bible in less than a week, and the grain and softness is gorgeous. The deal though with a glued binding, is that it takes a lot of work for him to sew it, so the price is a bit more, than say Leatherbibles, but not by much at all. However, the workmanship is worth every penny. I plan to use him again when I recover from my most recent bible purchasing escapade.

John Comito

I recently bought the NASB Hendrickson Minister's and it is a welcome addition to my very modest bible collection. The paper is very opaque for such a slim bible - it is some of the nicest bible paper I've come across. Another great feature in this bible, for me, is four pages of key bible promises and the ministry resources guide which contains an intersting section on the christian life. Although it is not my primary NASB, the portability is great! The layout and font styles make the reading experience a true pleasure.

J. Adam Byrd

I bought this Bible in calfskin a few months ago and like it pretty well, but I found that I don't really use many of the helps it has, so I plan on using the lined pages in my Cambridge WM to do essentially the same thing...only more useful for me.

Fernando Villegas

To Doug,

Thanks for the tip. I've heard of Paul Sawyer; in fact, his link is on this website. His work looks very nice, but I'm not sure how much I'd like the silk liners he uses. Either way, my focus right now is finding a text block that I like that is 1) sewed, not glued, and 2) black letter. Guess I just have to keep looking for now.

Doug Rider

Paul Sawyer used matching red leather lining, not silk. I know he uses it occasionally, but not on mine. It looks beautiful.

David N.

Mark,

Where does this Bible fall on the denominational scale? Does it include any doctrinal standards at all? You mentioned that it would be most useful to Baptistic types. Would you actually recommend it to an elder or associate pastor in a URC/OPC/PCA church?

J. Mark Bertrand

David -- I don't think the Ministry Guide has a particular denominational identity, but as I said in the review I'm guessing it's going to be most helpful to ministers in a broadly evangelical without a lot of denominational guidance. For the confessional Reformed denoms, where forms already exist for things like baptism, communion, the reception of new members, etc., that aspect of the Guide would not be of much use. The general info might be, though, depending on the minister's training. There aren't any doctrinal standards included. (As far as I know, the Sprit of the Reformation SB is the only one that has standards inside.)

kurt h

i haven't heard of many that list specific ministry helps in the back (although what a good idea), although northwestern publishing house does put out what's called a "pastor's companion" with all sorts of handy little rites (baptism, committal, plus plenty of prayers, etc.) almost identical size to a pitt minion and very sturdily bound in hardcover. i'd recommend it to anyone who didn't mind carrying two books. i have a pitt minion that i take on hospital visits etc and this will go well in the hand with it.

Todd F.

I own both the Hendrickson ESV Minister's Deluxe Bible ($119) and the cheaper Crossway ESV Wide Margin Reference in TruTone ($38). Despite some differences in structure, there is a similar feel to both Bibles. Both the Deluxe calfskin and TruTone covers look alike and are very supple, the bindings are nearly identical, the layouts are both dual column center reference, and the paper thickness is comparable. Yet, despite the added features of the Hendrickson (eg. Minister's Guide and extra ribbon), I must admit it suffers in comparison to the Crossway in some key areas.

Printed in China, my Hendrickson has several text smears whereas my American printed Crossway text is crisp throughout. The Hendrickson paper is not quite as bright white, and although ghosting is not a problem in either edition, I'd have to give the Crossway a slight edge in opacity. The Hendrickson font size is larger (9.5) because the Crossway is a Wide Margin (8.8), but the Hendrickson font is a bit narrower and doesn't scan as easily to me as the Crossway. Both have color maps but, again, the Crossway maps look a bit more professional.

Differences aside, the Crossway Wide Margin is a comparable product for a considerably cheaper price. Mark's review above sums it up: "[T]he decision to purchase a Minister's Bible comes down to whether you're going to make use of this guide or not. If so, then the bells and whistles ensure that you'll have a pleasant-to-use, quality edition to go along with the guide. If you're not going to use it but want a similar look, you'd probably be better off with one of Crossway's black calfskin editions."

Chris Bloom

@Todd --

I had the Crossway WM in TruTone, and found the ghosting terrible, even though I'm not generally bothered by that sort of thing. Worse, EVERY pen I tried to write with -- even the vaunted Microns and my favorites, Copic Multiliners -- bled through. For a WM edition that is ostensibly meant to be written in, that's a fatal flaw. Maybe I just got a bad one, but I found it nearly impossible to use it for its intended purpose.

I don't want to put anyone off the Crossway WM, because I'm all in favor of saving money whenever possible. I'm glad you're happy with yours. ;)

J. Benton

I have the KJV Hendrickson Minister's Bible in Regular genuine leather. Although the cover is quite siff, I can say as an indepedent Minister, the helps in this Bible make up for that incovenience. If you are a marrying, burying, baptizing preacher of the Gospel, this specialty edition will prove to be an invaluable resource. You will be ready for whatever situation you are called to react to.
I will be upgrading to the premium leather soon thanks to your review and Photos.

Jeffrey E Benton

Just an update. I recieved the KJV Minister's Deluxe edition in "Genuine Morocco" yesterday. I am sad to say that I am very disapointed. So much so that it is on it's way back to the provider. The cover is stiff and resistant. The paper is wavy, not only on the ends, but also when it is open. The binding is shoddy in appearance and glue is visible in several places. I wasn't expecting Allan's quality, but from the product description and extra cost, I was expecting a better end result. My regular version is older and the paper and overall binding quality are by far superior to this. I am happy to say that my origanal will soon be on it's way to Leonard's to be rebound in chocolate brown goatskin. Thanks for the blog and advice.
Jeff

Williams

Does this Bible have extra ruled pages or at least a notable amount of blank pages in the front and back? I was thinking of getting a NKJV version in genuine leather.

Ryan Koontz

Is the KJV Ministers Bible in same type of formatting as the ESV in the pictures above? Looking at getting it for a ordination at our church.

Thanks!

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