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April 05, 2012

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Jerry

Nice, but...

...I am thinking that my brown goatskin ESV Pitt Minion is already going to last longer than I will need it, and probably outlast the grandsons as well.

Matt M

WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!! That is SO cool. I love the shell cordovan and have watched the videos many times (video show process of tanning the shell).

have to say at that price point I would say the shell deserves a premium book block (ie with good art gilt)...like the pitt minion. It is hard for me to imagine slapping that shell cordovan on a book block with the regular spray on gold edges.

Vincent Ramirez

Originally I was going to rebind my 3 year old daily driver Pitt, but I decided that it was pretty beat up to put such and elegant new binding. Thanks to BDB follower John C. I was able to pick up a mint copy for the project at an affordable price!

John Comito

Wow! What a cool project, and a fascinating review by Mark!

From the Google photos of #8 shell cordovan it looks like it will age wonderfully, and last several lifetimes as Jerry mentioned in his comment!.
I don't know what fonts were used in the ESV Pitt off hand, but have always admired it's typography.

Enjoy it Vincent, it really came out great!

James

Now that's a gorgeous finish that looks brown, burgundy, or even a little reddish depending on the light. I also like how the cordovan captures the reflection of Mark's fingertips. When do you release the hostage, Mark? : > )

Justin

In your own google image search linked up there, one of your photos is now number two on the second page.

Bing

It would be difficult for me to justify the expense, but I'm sure glad somebody can so I get to drool over the pictures!

Wette Faces

I have no money for rebinding projects right now. I'm using nearly exclusively Cambridge's KJV Concord Reference and KJV Concord Wide Margin Bibles. From 2012 on Cambridge doesn't offer French Morocco bindings anymore of which I am a fan of: good price, nice grain, nice gloss, good durability, the perfect Puritan stiffness.

So right now I'm buying all KJV Concord and KJV Wide Margin copies I can get my hands on. Evangelicalbibles already is out of them and offers only the new Cambridge Calf Split binding in the new dark blue Cambridge boxes, which looks ugly like the Dollaro Calfskin that RL Allan offers for their new Oxford Wide Margin. So I'm stocking up for a lifetime!

Also there are coming more distressing news from Cambridge University Press! They plan to get rid of all the classic KJV type-settings like Cameo, Concord, Pitt Minion, Wide Margin, Large Print, Presentation, Pocket Edition in favour of new ones, maybe under the same classic names, but highly likely in this new and ugly Lexicon No. 1 typeface, like the other translations.

But more disturbingly they want to "improve" the KJV text. A scholar named David Norton is commissioned to write the new KJV text "how the translators in 1611 the KJV really intended it". This new text is said to become the new standard KJV text printed by Cambridge for all new settings.

So my pile of the good old Cambridge settings of the KJV is already tall. The bad thing is, that in my opinion the Concord setting is the best KJV available: beautiful and classic. I'm not such a fan of Allan's Oxford settings, although the quality of Allan is light-years above Cambridge.

Also sad: The Trinitarian Bible Society is also getting rid of the old settings and is starting to print their own settings, like the Windsor or Westminster. They bought their book blocks usually from Cambridge and also offered a Concord with or without Metrical Psalms. The new TBS settings are in this ugly, narrow Minion Pro font. On the other hand I think we can be sure TBS won't change or "improve" the KJV text.

Instead of rebinding projects I'll need to look elsewhere for Bibles. Good alternatives are in the U.S. There is Local Church Bible Publishers who offer old Cambridge settings in superb quality and craftsmanship. And there is a Pure Cambridge Bible setting from David Hoffman's Baptist church available. And for the Bible Baptists there is the Ruckman's KJV Study Bible. Also NPC (National Publishing Company) in Philadelphia is offering only KJV's in good text quality, although mostly Bonded leather.

One day I might rebind one of my Cambridge Concord Bibles in Cordovan, so it might show up in a TV documentary about the 1000th anniversary of the King James Bible in the year 2611.

Justin

I know this sounds stupid on this site, and I really like good quality bibles and have several with another on the way, but do you really go through so many bibles that you need several of each SETTING, all of the same translation?

Also, the split calf is about the same stiffness as the French Morocco and it is a higher quality leather. I see the split calf as a sign that Cambridge is moving up in the binding quality.

Terse

I think that this is quite ridiculous. I have two pairs of cordovan shoes: vintage Bostonian, and vintage Florsheim Imperials, but for a Bible binding? Where does it end! Good stewart....anyone? What a waste of capital.

T_BurnsMarshall

Beautiful. On a side note, I've been searching for a bit for that (what appears to be) Brown Highland BCP by Cambridge, and am coming up short. Help?

Wette Faces

@ Justin: The problem of Cambridge is never the leather quality. Other parts are falling apart before. All my many Cambridge Bibles I have came with quality problems. They are surely not handmade quality Bibles like R.L. Allan's. I cannot say to be satisfied with a single one of my Cambridge Bible in the area of quality and craftsmanship. But they have the best settings, the best sizes, so I stick with them. Calfsplit might be a tad better quality leather, but its grain looks hideous. Like elephant skin. Large pebbles like the Dollaro leather of R.L. Allan's cheaper edition of their Wide-Margin. By the way: The Trinitarian Bible Society offers the Cambridge Concord in Calfskin, and I hate its feel and the non-gloss. There is Local Church Bible Publishers in the U.S. They offer nice Cowhide Bibles (Cambridge text). But since they only accept a certain way of payment I cannot buy there and test their products. However I'm looking forward to receive my Cowhide Ruckman's KJV Study Bible soon in the mail. Maybe the 2nd edition of it is of better construction quality.

Why I need so many Bibles? Well, if you read the Bible day and night and not only collect them in a vault, they simply fall apart even with careful use. So I need to stockpile them when my main publisher is changing --in my opinion-- to a "lower grade" leather or is making a new typesetting in an "improved" (i.e. corrupted) typesetting. I want to read the word of God in its best translation (without missing verses and without uninspired and dead text like modern versions) until I die. Another reason for stockpiling Bibles can be for every Christian the coming open persecution of Christians. Now it's just a little, but the Christ-haters become more and more strong. Godless people stockpiling canned food and guns and build bunkers. Christians stockpile in Bibles (before the Bible is outlawed as "hate speech") and in prayers.

Justin

I have several Cambridge bibles and they have none of these quality issues, my dad has been using his Cambridge bible since the late 70's and while it has had coffee spilled on it, been dropped, abused, ect it is still in great shape. I have a low quality Foundation NASB that I have been using for 5+ years as my carry bible and it is still in great shape, and I haven't been particularly careful with it. In fact, it is better now that it was new, as the leather has broken in nicely. Sorry for questioning you, but I just don't understand how people have well made bibles that fall apart with careful use.

kyle

Excellent review Mark. Personally, I love the unfinished leather with the "Horween" stamp. Mechling did a marvelous job. Congrats Mr. Ramirez and thanks for sharing. I am anxious to see some post-usage photos.

kyle

Terse,

Just a brief follow-up to your comment: In my opinion, Jimmy Stewart was a good one, but my favorite Stewart was Rod. Not sure I know any other good stewarts. Hope this helps.

Ryan S.

Wette,

The text you're referring to here:

"A scholar named David Norton is commissioned to write the new KJV text 'how the translators in 1611 the KJV really intended it'"

This is the Cambridge New Paragraph Bible project, which has already been released (and it's pretty sweet), and is a somewhat specialized edition. I'll go out on a limb and say it's not going to become the "standard" text for Cambridge. In fact, Cambridge just updated the Cameo's plates with the new release of the line a couple of years ago, so I don't think they're looking to phase out the traditional, verse-by-verse settings any time soon.

Richard

T Burns: http://www.amazon.com/Enlarged-Edition-Brown-Goatskin-CP426/dp/0521691516/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334019399&sr=8-1

Brad

Kyle, In an effort to help our friend "Terse," you left out domestic diva Martha Stewart and vampire muse Kristin Stewart. As for the waste of capital, instead of Florsheims, I buy outlet-priced Sketchers so that I can put quality Goatskin on a Bible I plan to pass down to my grandkids.

Brad

My 8-year old son just reminded me of another good Stewart...Stuart Little.

Derek

@Wette Faces - Try this link:

Hurt Cambridge Bibles
http://72.3.251.74/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=2349C7A2A5D340B09D1768324E4CE655&nm=&type=PubCom2&mod=PubCom2ProductCatalog&mid=522244F133C74B7B926ADBECAFFE5E87&tier=2&TierId=7A0438B9B56C4DD49871CF34CB494F73

This is Baker's "second's" page. They have a few Concords you may be interested in. I ordered one from them last month. Their site was not working, so if it doesn't work for you, just shoot them an email and they can take your order over the phone.

Michael

Great review Mark! I'm also a devoted fan of special leather bindings. I'd love to see a bible bound with Horween leather. I'm thinking of having Norris Book Binding make an interleaf bible for me, bound in Horween Chromexcel leather. (I would need to supply the leather.) With respect to the Cambridge quality "debate" I've witnessed both sides of this issue. I've seen excellently bound Cambridge KJV bibles and I've seen Cambridge KJV bibles where the cover split and separated from the spine.

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