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May 21, 2012

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Christian Cerna

Cool videos. It does add an extra dimension to your excellent book reviews. Thanks much.

Bo

The video is certainly a nice addition to the Bible reviews.

If possible, I was wondering if you could do another quick review of your Pitt Minion to show what it looks and feels like now. I'm not sure how different your photos would be compared to your past Pitt Minion reviews, but I for one would like to see what some use has done to your Pitt Minion.

J. Mark Bertrand

I'm glad the video is appreciated. I imagine there will be more in the future. The most recent photos of my Pitt Minion, Bo, are posted in the Clarion KJV review and a piece called "Open Flat," both from last year:

http://www.bibledesignblog.com/2011/10/cambridge-kjv-clarion-revisited-three-binding-options.html

http://www.bibledesignblog.com/2011/09/open-flat.html

Since I promised to do a comparison of the Pitt Minion and the Allan Compact Text ESV, I'll make sure my well-worn PM gets into those shots, too (along with the newer brown split calf edition, which I like quite a bit).

Pastoralmusings

Great Bible. I bought one at Christmas. I only wish I had bought the goatskin due to the stiffness of the calf.

J. Mark Bertrand

Has the cover softened up at all? My assumption, based on what happened with my Pitt Minion cited above, is that with use the board under the leather will break in, making the cover more supple. But I haven't put this to the test with the split calf, so I'd love to hear what others have experienced.

Justin

Your comment of a wide margin Clarion made my heart skip a beat. My dad and I designed a "perfect" wide margin a few years back (we both settled on the Cambridge NASB wide margin in goatskin, both covers are quite different) and it was basically the Clarion layout with a wide margin. I love the look of the calfskin in the video, and I really hope that my Clarion is similar when it finally gets here. Once again, a very nice review.

Pastoralmusings

Mark,
I've used it quite a bit, but it's not softened up enough to be noticeably different.
I'm honestly somewhat disappointed in that, but realize that it will probably last for ages and don't want to diminish my pleasure in the overall quality.
I think that I'm also very spoiled by the limp style binding that is characteristic of LCBP Bibles, which I have used for almost ten years.
Jason

Ryan S.

The only hitch with a Clarion Wide Margin would be that to get the paper thickness up enough for serious note taking, it seems like you'd have a pretty thick edition. Consider the thickness differences between a Pitt Minion, and the corresponding Wide margin. Something like a 50% premium for the thicker paper.

I'm not saying it's not feasable (See the NRSV Note-Taker's) but it'd be a desk-only proposition for most, which wouldn't be too bad with a "standard" Clarion for carrying around.

Roger

Why don't we see any NIV or NLT in these formats?

Andy Blye

I would say ask Zondervan or Tyndale about that

Pastoralmusings

Mark,
Back again on the stiffness.
I had used another Bible to preach out of for a couple of weeks and my memory was faulty.
I have broken this in somewhat. It is still stiffer than I would wish, but not so much as to say that there is no noticeable difference. It is beginning to have that nice way of laying over my hand and being a little limp.
What has to break in a little more is the sewn part so that it will lay open a little better. That will only come with time and use, though.
My apologies for being so forgetful.
I have a few of the LCBP Bibles and they are amazingly limp right out of the box. I enjoy that, but I also know that this particular Bible has the advantage where it is connected to the cover, as you have shown above.

John

Hi Mark

I have been reading your blog for the last 4 or 5 years. I ran across this in a book I am reading and wondered if you have ever seen anything like this. I enjoy your blog and am subscribed in Google Reader. Here it is, a silver bound edition of the Gospels:

When duties and responsibilities are great and I am very tired when I retire at night, then I have my wife or my son read one Gospel to me and in this way I am faithful to my promise. Out of gratitude and for the glory of God I had this Gospel bound in silver and I carry it on my breast faithfully.”

(2009-08-05). The Way of a Pilgrim (pp. 22-23). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Pastor Erick D.Marquez

Hi i just ordered the Allen wide margin and was wondering is the paper as good as the oxford produced wide margin? I saw the review you have done and ws wondering if the paper will hold up to like maybe a bic roller pen or even a mechanical pencil? Thank you for having such a wonderful bible blog, your video addition is excellent, because of the video i was persuaded to purchase on of the wide margin bibles, thank you , God bless.
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John

I returned my Allan wide margin goatskin. The company misrepresented their product on their website and refused to deal ethically with the problem. I recommend you only buy one of their Bibles if you can personally SEE it first. Definitely don't go by the info they provide on their website!

Brian

John,

Where did you purchase the Allan wide margin goatskin from? Directly from Bibles-direct or from Evangelical Bible?

If you don't mind elaborating some I would be interested in hearing more about your dealings with the company. What was misrepresented and how did they deal unethically with you?

John

I bought directly from R.L. Allan in Scotland and dealt with Nicholas. The problems were several:
1. The Bible dimensions were misleading (it was about 20-25% thicker than they state on their website.
Their response? They don't include the covers, etc. when they give the BULK (thickness) measurement? Who buys a Bible without covers?

2.The site stated it was printed on India paper.
His response? Quote: "It was made in Japan for a French paper company who are making the finest Bible papers used today. I hesitate to say 'India' paper because your Bible's paper does not have rag content and is from sustainable forests."
Then simply state that up front.

3. The Bible was claimed to be 'full yapp' but it was not.
His reason? If they made it with a full yapp it "would simply flap".
Then don't call it "full yapp".

At this point I was hoping for some willingness to correct what I still feel is an unethical advertisement or a willingness to come up with a fair solution. None was forthcoming. I returned it though I had to absorb a cost to do so.

I do not have any qualms of the quality of their product. I have serious misgivings as to the manner in which they run their business. My comment stands. I am not telling anyone NOT to buy their product, but I do recommend you only buy if you can personally SEE what you are buying, or you simply don't care if what you get is not what you thought you were buying.

Pat

I appreciate the information on this blog and everyone's input on the quality of the bibles and services rendered by the sellers. The prices of these bibles I'm not saying are overpriced, but for many people bibles in this price range might be considered a once in a lifetime purchase, so the information is much appreciated. With that said, I've been admiring the Allan Wide Margin for quite some time and I'm most curious about the paper as mentioned in Mark's review and also the latest post by John indicating that the bible papers were apparently sourced from Japan. In Mark's separate review of the paper I believe he stated that he was unsure of the bible papers origin and I was wondering if anyone had any specific information in regards to the paper. Is this the Tamoe River paper from Japan mentioned by Mark or something similar? And does anyone foresee in the future a Wide Margin edition by Allan that includes the Longprimer Text?

Pat

I just found this YouTube review on the Allan Clarendon Wide Margin Goatskin and I thought I would pass it on:
http://youtu.be/cJ8OUGU8_uk

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