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June 04, 2012

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Wyclif

I have this edition of the ESV and a couple of other Pitt Minions, like the NASB version. I'm generally a fan of Cambridge, and I really wanted to love this Bible, but the type size is just not large enough to make this a practical go-to for extensive reading, teaching, and preaching from. I recognise these things are largely personal preferences, but I tend to reach for my Allan ESV Reader's Edition for most needs because of its easy readability.

kyle

"As elegant and slouchy as an odalisque on her couch." This will probably be the new catch phrase in Bible advertisements!

Michael

What is the type size for the Cambridge Pitt Minion (ESV) in Brown Split Calf?

Mark S

Since you often do side-by-side comparisons of various states of flexibility, I'm wondering if perhaps you might take a photo of a slouchy Bible on a couch next to an odalisque. Or read by an odalisque.

Blair Paterson

I just purchased an Allan's Compact ESV in Black Goatskin (which I believe you will be commenting upon sometime soon) and - ooohhh - I'm normally an NRSV man, I do like the inclusiveness (as well as other factors of this translation) - and do have an Allan's NRSV. But the small semi-yapp bible and I started reading Job - aloud - and I'm bitten. I tend to like the formal styles of translations like the RSV, NEB and KJV - and the ESV seems to do it.

Tobe Hester

just bought one...thanks for the review as I have been looking at this one on EB for a while...thanks for the video!

Richard

I had no idea Jonbloed did everything--the printing and binding and supplying the covers? What part does Cambridge do?

J. Mark Bertrand

Publishers publish, printers print. Publishers with in-house printing operations are fairly rare these days. The publisher decides on an edition, finances production, creates the design (either in house or in conjunction with an outside firm), and coordinates manufacture (selecting the printer, determining specs, etc.) and then promotes the book to the market. Cambridge uses Jongbloed quite a bit. The New Cambridge Paragraph Bible uses L.E.G.O. -- the same printer that did the ESV Legacy for Crossway. Sometimes a printer also binds (as Jongbloed does here) and sometimes book blocks are sent elsewhere for binding (as, for example, when Crossway's China-printed book blocks go to the UK for an Allan binding).

bill

To perhaps state the obvious, not all reference bibles use the same references. Decades ago, the NUMBER of references was a selling point for a bible. (So does a ref to Matt 1:2,3 count as one or two references?) Perhaps more importantly, which references are there and who chose them is VERY seldom mentioned, although the Thompson Chair-reference is the obvious exception, and I have an old KJV someplace that notes in the frontispapers "this edition uses the XYZ reference system" or something similar. Since denominational and doctrinal biases are bound to come through in the choice and placement of references, I'm quite surprised more isn't made of this.

My ESV Study Bible and ESV PSR appear to use the same references. Does this PM follow suit??? Are all ESV reference "systems" the same? Is that "system" owned (copyrighted) by Crossway? (I don't read that in the fine print any place.) Or is a condition of licensing the ESV text the requirement to not use any other reference system? Are the "authors" of what appears to be the official ESV reference system the same, different, or a subset of, the ESV translation team itself?

If there is such a standard for the ESV, it would seem possible to love the ESV but hate its reference "system". Or vice-versa. So why isn't this discussed? This is as good a blog as any, no? You wouldn't buy a generic "study bible" without knowing who wrote the notes, would you? Or at least who was the intended audience?

Zondervan/IBS never seemed to have a "preferred" reference system for NIV84. The NIV Thompson's ref system is not the same as the Archaeological SB's which is not the same as the NIV Pitt's. So is the Bible market best served with a variety of reference "systems" available?

I at least would request some definition/citation of the reference system used in a given reference bible, a "reference to the references" so to speak. And yes, how many references included is somewhat a measure of completeness as well, just as the number of entries in a concordance is useful consumer information.

Comments?

Shifting gears somewhat, the physical format of the references on the page deserves mention as well. This ESV Pitt seems to have it all wrong. Since it's 2-column, why couldn't they have made the extra effort to line up the references with it's vertical location on the page? Instead they take the easy route of putting the left column refs at the top of the center column and the rt col refs at the bottom. (Is there a single classic Cambridge or Oxford reference KJV that uses such a user-hostile system?) In addition to that, they use bold text in the center column to locate where that reference applies, similar to the well-executed Cambridge Concord KJV, but then they still stick the intrusive superscripted letters into the text, which makes simple reading of the text more awkward, while doing little more than help decipher which reference goes with what exact word in the rare cases of more than one reference per verse.

If my complaint isn't clear, just pick up any old Cambridge Concord with the "bold-figure references" and spend a little time with it.

Pastor Bryon

Just received mine today and was thrilled with the look.

Also, I preach from my kindle keyboard, and the ESV PM is within a quarter-inch of the dimensions of the cover my kindle is in...great pairing...both are a brown leather.

Thanks again, Mark!

Patrick

Hi Mark,
Thanks for the informative video; what font did you use for the video's titles?

J. Mark Bertrand

The titles are set in Garamond Small Caps.

Patrick

Hi Mark,
Please forgive the delay in replying; thank you for the font information!

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