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July 09, 2012

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Gary Brown

Is it me or is the video locked as private? :)

J. Mark Bertrand

You're right, Gary -- but now it's fixed. Sorry about that!

Gary Brown

Interesting post, I don't think that the HCSB hasn't made much, if any, headway over here in the UK. I have a copy, which was a gift sent over the pond by Mike Smith which is an ultrathin reference edition of the HCSB in genuine leather. I agree with Mark that the text setting is idiosyncratic to say the least. Neither am I wholly convinced by the claims of 'optimal equivalence' in terms of a translation philosophy (optimised for who I wonder) - but that's for a different blog. I would imagine this will sell better in the States where the translation has more of devoted following, despite the tempting liquidity of this binding I'll be sticking with my genuine leather copy for the present as I just don't use the version enough, though a future rebind is a possibility.

Chris B

I wonder if the Ten Commandments show in a list format in the shape of a tablet? Interesting translation.

John

I like the words of Christ in red so I can tell at a glance when Jesus is speaking as opposed to someone else or the narrator. It has nothing to do with piety or tradition for me.

Steve Atherton

Can anyone confirm whether or not the R.L. Allan version contains the updated 2009 text? I'm a big fan of the HCSB but would be hesitant to invest in an older version of the translation due to the large number of changes made to the 2009 rendering. I made the switch to the HCSB after the NIV 2011 version was released. (The 1984 NIV had been my main Bible until recently.) The only design choice that would give me pause to purchase this Bible would be the use of red lettering-none of my Bibles have it.

Andy Chulka

Thanks for another great review, Mr. Bertrand. If I'm right, I believe the "highly anticipated" (at least by me!) Allan NKJV with the Holman Large Print text block will be very similar to the size of this one, with the slimmer profile! After viewing your video, I think I just might go with the crimson NKJV!

Yleady

For the record, I don't like red letters "under the mistaken impression that it more traditional and pious than the standard form." I like them because I enjoy the look.

Matt M

@Steve - this is the 2004 version unfortunately.

I completely agree with Mark's review. While the bold text for OT references, bullet notes, and other text features are interesting...they kinda bugged me over time.

I read though the HCSB about a year ago and in all I liked it...it has a quirkiness that comes through in the translation (eg "temple police"), but I like how it is not wordy (I believe it has the lowest word count by far compared to other translations) and therefore feels pretty "sharp" at times. I would like them to decide on how often they are going to translate YHWH as Yahweh.

David F

I appreciate your review. I am very unhappy with the design. As a retired Typographer/designer/typesetter, my opinion is that the text block looks like a circus ad. I will not be getting one.

terse

I like red letter editions because they are handy when you want to quickly look up somthing that Jesus said. I think that most are just used to that format, not because they look at it as more pious. I grew up with the Scofield Reference Bible so I am used to red letter and find it useful. Also I must admit I like the idea of each person of the Trinity's name being capitalized. In Bible college I had a habit of doing that as well when writting a research paper on that topic. I think somtimes in more Reformed circles many elements that some Beleivers hold dear are mocked as being irrelevant or not "high brow" if you will enough. For instance the Scofield Bible. It is indeed Pre-mill, dispensational, quirky, and sometimes flat out wrong in its notes, but why desparage a person who reads one becasue it isn't an ESV Reformation Study Bible,(which is great by the way, but does contain theological errors as well in my opinion)? I knew a reformed Believer who once mocked and older Beleiver who had a portrait of the Sallman's Head on his wall. All I am saying is many churches, even protestant and independant have their traditions,a nd as long as they are not contrary to Scripture what harm do they cause? Thanks for reading!

terse

Sorry for the misspelled words above, I wrote it rather quickly. i before e except after c!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Richard Zuelch

As for capitalized pronouns for deity, I rather like them. I think they show respect for God (just my opinion). Also, there are some contexts where the capitalization of a personal pronoun for deity can let you know which m/Me is speaking in a verse or two that has more than one "me" in it.

Yleady

Well said, terse.

Chris Poe

One problem with capitalized pronouns that hasn't been mentioned is that the practice necessitates interpretation on the part of the translators in some debatable cases. That basically runs counter to the usual arguments made by formal equivalence advocates.

With regard to red letters, another issue is legibility. At this point (depending on the quality, brightness, etc) I have trouble reading more than a few paragraphs of red letters before my eyes start burning. So I'm planning on going exclusively with "black letter" editions from now on.

Dewey Squyres

I was just looking at my HCSB Minister's Bible. I have the 2010 edition with the 2009 version of the HCSB translation. It has black print for the words of Jesus. It does not have the box around the "unknbown God" quotation in Acts. And the big, black bullet points are greatly reduced so that they are far less obtrusive. It will be great when Allan can use a more current book block.

Robert Munday

I think I know where you have seen that typeface before: it is similar to, if not the same as, the first edition of the NIV Study Bible. But apart from the typeface, which I like, the typography and layout need a lot of improvement.

Sherry Nash

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