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July 16, 2012

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alex

Are there any plans for Cambridge to print an NIV with the new 2011 text?

Alex

Nathan

Alex,

Not at this time. I checked with them about that a month or so ago and they currently do not have the license to print to the translation and acted as though they wouldn't be for awhile, if ever.

Nathan

CM

There's no need to search for a review of the 2011 NIV, here's an excellent five page review, by a long-time NIV user:

http://www.born-again-christian.info/review-2011-niv-bible-edition.htm

Matt M

The review posted by CM is the perfect example of what Mark is talking about (save slanted translation posts for other blogs).. The reviewer linked by CM does not even agree with the base text the NIV uses for the New Testament. For scholarly reviews on the NIV 2011, people can google reviews by Dan Wallace and Rod Decker...both give balanced reviews and are NT scholars.

T. Sheets

Thanks Mark! I've been really curious about this edition and what the cover was really like. It seemed a bit different looking than highland goat, but still seems really sharp. I'm probably going to go with the black, but the brown is nice too.

I'm with Matt M., if you want a good solid review of the revised NIV go to the experts who know their stuff, not a long-time NIV user.

bill

Nathan, did you get the impression Cambridge wasn't interested in producing the NIV11 or that Zondervan/IBS/Biblica was not making it easy for Cambridge to license the translation?

If the latter, what are they thinking? They were wildly successful with NIV84 using a liberal licensing scheme that made it easy for just about anyone to produce an NIV. I can't help but believe that was at least part of NIV's widespread acceptance. Acceptance is what NIV11 needs most right now!

Does anyone know the details of how Allen won/bought the rights to this?

Reid

I just received this exact bible (Brown NIV) last week. Wonderful leather, beautiful colour variation, and as a Canadian Its a bonus to see words spelled in "our" English (ie colour, honour, centre, baptise, etc.)

Matt M

I will add that I was originally not thrilled with the selection of maps, they have grown on me and I enjoy the color and design (a little classy).

Matt M

Also to add that this edition features "line matching" which is great for dealing ghosting

Bill Krewson

This is a beautiful edition with fine craftsmanship wedding to a fine translation. At first I was skeptical about the new NIV, but after comparing it to the original NIV and the Hebrew/Greek, I am convinced that it strikes the right balance overall. Keep in mind that conservatives like Don Carson and Tim Keller use it. Read the article by Rod Decker in Themelios (http://thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/article/an_evaluation_of_the_2011_edition_of_the_new_international_version).

Nathan

Bill,

My correspondence was by email. I am not sure whether it was the choice of Cambridge or the choice of Zondervan. I have asked twice over the course of 3 months and both answers were that they didn't have a license and couldn't speculate if they ever would.

Matt M

I have experienced the same thing when contacting Cambridge on their plans for the 2011 NIV. To be honest though I experienced the same thing when calling about the ESV in the past. It took years before Cambridge would produce a compact edition (the pitt minion), let alone a nice hand size edition (clarion).

I imagine they do not want to say anything at this point for good reason. Cambridge may want to see the reception of the new NIV before committing, and Zondervan may want to sell some of their copies before handing over the rights.

Michael

Matt M and Reid,

Do you have websites or blogs where you have posted pics of your new Allan NIV Bibles? I specifically want to see the size compared to other bibles out there.

If not (and if time permits), you can just email me the pics of the Bible. I appreciate it. Thanks

Michael

Matt M

@Michael -

Sorry I do not have any other pictures loaded right now that I know of...

You can look at the Evangelical Bible website and they have more pictures, just not compared with other editions:
http://evangelicalbible.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_116&products_id=1007

rowan paterson

Hi Mark,
I may have missed it but what is the paper quality like?

Matt M

Rowan, I would give the paper a B grade...and say that it is above average but not the best. I would say the print quality is A+. Overall a pleasant reading experience.

Steve Atherton

Is this a black letter edition?

Steve Atherton

I recently received a copy of this Bible in black. This is my first "premium" Bible purchase and I couldn't be more pleased with the craftmanship. I do wish that it came with three ribbons, but otherwise I am very pleased. I was somewhat concerned with the font size upon first opening the Bible, but the font type and the line matching make it very readable. I also appreciate the fact that it is a black letter addition.

Steve Atherton

I have a Bible design question regarding ribbons. I understand placing three ribbons in a Bible to mark passages in the OT, wisdom literature and NT. Why would a publisher opt for two ribbons versus three?

J. Mark Bertrand

Vintage Bibles typically have just one ribbon, which serves the same purpose it would on any other book -- to mark your place. Books intended for use in service -- a breviary, for example -- might have more (often a lot more). I'm not sure when the practice of adding a second ribbon to Bibles began, but I believe it was done in the spirit of offering a "premium" feature. (Plus, you can mark OT and NT readings.)

When I started using the Daily Reading Bible, which had three ribbons corresponding to the three sections of the reading plan, I thought, "Hey, this makes sense. Every Bible should have this!" R. L. Allan started doing it, and I've asked for it with custom rebinds, too.

Jason

Check this gem out by Zondervan. It comes in premium leather with art gilt pages. Finally a single column, paragraphed wide margin of the updated NIV!

http://media.zondervan.com/media/samples/pdf/9780310402626_samptxt.pdf

bill

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Jason, Unfortunately I have doubts if that new Zondervan 9780310402626 edition is even Smyth-sewn. And although Amazon calls the cover "leather" it sure looks artificial to me. You might want to verify that before ordering.

If you like the layout, it is similar to to the older Renaissance editions of the TNIV (very similar to NIV11) which Mark reviewed and which are very nicely bound.

Personally, although I like single-column layouts in principle, these try to use a little too small a font and end up squeezing in too many words per line to my eye. I find it's a chore just shifting from one line to the next.

Jason

Here is a review of the reference edition that is also available:
http://rdtwot.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/premium-leather-niv-single-column-reference-bible-a-pictorial-review/

Jason

http://media.zondervan.com/media/samples/pdf/9780310402640_samptxt.pdf

This is the sample of the interior of the non reference edition. The link got cut off in my other post. As you can see it has nice wide margins. The reference edition puts the refs in the inside margin but it also illiminates room for notes in the outer margin.

bill

Thanks Jason, the ISBN 9780310442516 edition appears to have a nice leather cover indeed.

But I believe these newer Zondervans might be produced using this sort of binding method:
http://www.doublebinding.com/vorTex.htm
instead of sewn like the Renaissance TNIVs I mentioned.

Perhaps Mark will comment on this new glued binding method.

Jason

That is too bad because if I get this bible I would be really breaking it in and making notes in the margins, highlighting, underlining, etc. and it would be very disappointing if once I got it worn and personalized, the pages started to come apart. I really hope that since it is a premium leather edition with art gilt edges, that it will also be a sewn text block. The format is exactly what I have been looking for and it is hard to find a NIV single column with generous margins on each side. I hope Mark does a review on this bible.
Thanks for the heads up Bill :)

Jason

Here is a link to some reviews where the customers say the binding is sewn. I hope they are right.
http://www.christianbook.com/apps/product?item_no=402640;item_code=WW

bill

Nice research Jason. That reviewer sounds like he knows what he's talking about so that's a good sign. Art gild edges is a first for Zondervan I believe. I too am looking forward to seeing one of these.

John Owlett

For those who haven't noticed yet, R. L. Allan has just posted on its website -- at http://www.bibles-direct.co.uk/ -- a list of the new Bibles it plans to publish in the first half of 2013: an NKJV (shipping next Monday), a bold print NIV, a personal study ESV, an NASB, a new reader's ESV, and an NLT.

Norm

R.L. Allan's NIV Bold Print release date now in August. According to Nicholas Gray from R.L. Allan, the new bold print NIV will have the same paper as the NIV reviewed on this page, but with a larger and bolder font.

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